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Old 04-10-2012, 06:57 PM    (permalink
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If we don't land a pass rusher in the first (Perry or McClellin ideally), I think Ronnell Lewis would be really nice value at the end of round two. While he's probably not a premier pass rusher, I like him a lot overall. Jerel Worthy/Ronnell Lewis would be a nice first couple of rounds.
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If we don't land a pass rusher in the first (Perry or McClellin ideally), I think Ronnell Lewis would be really nice value at the end of round two. While he's probably not a premier pass rusher, I like him a lot overall. Jerel Worthy/Ronnell Lewis would be a nice first couple of rounds.
There's something about Ronnell Lewis that scares me...physically he's got everything you want in a player but that didn't always translate on the football field, when he was actually able to step on the field I should say
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Are there a couple names that people would be upset to see as our first round selection???

Whitney Mercilus and Devon Still would top the list for me
I have several.

Whitney Mercilus, Courtney Upshaw at OLB.

Devon Still or Kendall Reyes at DE.

Anyone (except for Mark Barron) at any position other than one of those two... especially RB (although I wouldn't mind Doug Martin in the 2nd.)

Branch is an interesting one. Likely to be terrible against the run but could be a very good (not great) passrusher and an elite cover guy as far as 3-4 OLBs go. I'll take that.
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The nice thing about McClellin is that on early downs he could play ROLB and hold up vs the run/provide pass rush. Situationally he could shift inside (in place of Hawk) and they could bring in Lattimore/So'to/some other guy at ROLB. That would give Capers four LBs that he could send after the QB.

Not many of the other OLB prospects provide that kind of versatility. Ingram does I guess, but he'll be gone. R. Lewis has the athleticism to do it, but does he have it between the ears?
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I really wish Vic So'oto would just be a boss this year and we wouldn't need to draft an OLB high. I would love it if we drafted Zeitler or Konz in Round 1, then Derek Wolfe/Mike Martin in Round 2, then a guy like Markelle Martin in Round 3, then in round 4 we draft Olivier Vernon at OLB. That would be my ideal draft, if So'oto was a beast.
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Unfortunately with the shortened offseason activities they aren't likely to have a good feel for how much So'oto has progressed before draft day comes.

I think the players shot themselves in the foot a little bit with that modification to the CBA. IMO they probably should have made and exception for 1st/2nd year players. I know veterans get sick of the OTAs and stuff, but young guys can really benefit from the extra time in the offseason.
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Based on who I've watched so far, here is how I would stack our board for DL and OLBs, which are pretty much equal needs in my mind. Haven't gotten around to watching any centers or safeties yet. Also still need to see guys like Reyes, Crick, Wolfe, Winn.

-------------Top 10

1. Fletcher Cox
2. Melvin Ingram
-------------First Round
3. Nick Perry (edges out McClellin due to how much potential is there)
4. Shea McClellin (probably a safer pick than Perry, as we know he can stand up. I'd actually be more comfortable with him.)
5. Jerel Worthy
6. Dontari Poe (would like to see more games, but probably has too much potential to pass on here.)
7. Michael Brockers
-------------2nd Round
8. Whitney Mercilus (Right on the fringe of the first in my mind, but just has so many questions.)
9. Brandon Thompson
10. Courtney Upshaw (I don't think he offers enough to be a first rounder, but a solid player in the second.)
11. Ronnell Lewis
12. Devon Still
13. Andre Branch (I did not like what I saw, but has enough going for him to be the pick here.)
------------3rd Round
14. Chandler Jones (I don't see him playing in a 3-4.)
15. Bruce Irvin (Might only be a situational guy, but I'd consider him at the end of round 3.)
16. Vinny Curry (Another guy that I don't see in a 3-4.)
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Based on who I've watched so far, here is how I would stack our board for DL and OLBs, which are pretty much equal needs in my mind. Haven't gotten around to watching any centers or safeties yet. Also still need to see guys like Reyes, Crick, Wolfe, Winn.

-------------Top 10

1. Fletcher Cox
2. Melvin Ingram
-------------First Round
3. Nick Perry (edges out McClellin due to how much potential is there)
4. Shea McClellin (probably a safer pick than Perry, as we know he can stand up. I'd actually be more comfortable with him.)
5. Jerel Worthy
6. Dontari Poe (would like to see more games, but probably has too much potential to pass on here.)
7. Michael Brockers
-------------2nd Round
8. Whitney Mercilus (Right on the fringe of the first in my mind, but just has so many questions.)
9. Brandon Thompson
10. Courtney Upshaw (I don't think he offers enough to be a first rounder, but a solid player in the second.)
11. Ronnell Lewis
12. Devon Still
13. Andre Branch (I did not like what I saw, but has enough going for him to be the pick here.)
------------3rd Round
14. Chandler Jones (I don't see him playing in a 3-4.)
15. Bruce Irvin (Might only be a situational guy, but I'd consider him at the end of round 3.)
16. Vinny Curry (Another guy that I don't see in a 3-4.)
upshaw second round? interesting. if we could somehow land brockers and upshaw with our 1/2 i dont care if we get nobody with the rest of the picks. that would be awesome.

hows everyone feel about janoris jenkins? if he slips i would almost be interested in taking a flyer on him. not 1 or 2. id be ok with trading back up in the late late second for him i think.
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TT likes his CB's tall and he also wants "good guys". Jenkins is neither.
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TT took a flyer on Underwood. I know that didn't work out but he's shown he'll give guys a second chance (Quarless). That said now that it has been revealed that Jenkins continued to smoke the ganja after being kicked out of Florida I don't think TT touches him.
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I know some aren't as high on him, but I'm still fascinated with the idea of handing Kevin Greene a blank slate like Bruce Irvin to work with.
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I know some aren't as high on him, but I'm still fascinated with the idea of handing Kevin Greene a blank slate like Bruce Irvin to work with.
I like him as well. Only problem is, weill TT? He came out with all that "im just a good guy" ******** and then got in trouble again. Not sure Ted would trust him.

I think Green Bay would be the perfect place for him though, he's not gonna get in much trouble or mix with the wrong crowd like he did when he was younger. I would fully support us getting him in the second or third round.
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upshaw second round? interesting. if we could somehow land brockers and upshaw with our 1/2 i dont care if we get nobody with the rest of the picks. that would be awesome.

hows everyone feel about janoris jenkins? if he slips i would almost be interested in taking a flyer on him. not 1 or 2. id be ok with trading back up in the late late second for him i think.
Keep in mind, these are where I would select them, not where I believe they'll be drafted. While I do see Upshaw slipping out of round one, I do not expect him to be there for our 2nd round pick.

Of all the teams that could take a chance early on Jenkins, I would not expect Green Bay to be one of them. I would say there's a pretty chance he's completely off their board at this point. This wasn't a one time issue with him. Getting kicked out of Florida, continuing to smoke at North Alabama, having four children already is more than enough for Thompson to write him off.
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Courtney Upshaw may be falling in the eyes of the draftnik community, he's still held in high regard by NFL teams...he could very well be the pick for the Jets at 16 if Melvin Ingram is off the board
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Keep in mind, these are where I would select them, not where I believe they'll be drafted. While I do see Upshaw slipping out of round one, I do not expect him to be there for our 2nd round pick.

Of all the teams that could take a chance early on Jenkins, I would not expect Green Bay to be one of them. I would say there's a pretty chance he's completely off their board at this point. This wasn't a one time issue with him. Getting kicked out of Florida, continuing to smoke at North Alabama, having four children already is more than enough for Thompson to write him off.
oh i gotchya. i cant keep up with the draft as much as id like to or used to be able to but i still lurk from time to time here.. wasnt sure if upshaw was free falling for some reason or whatever. if upshaw makes it into round 2 and we like him i doubt wed wait around for our pick to select him. im sure we could trade up. we have what? 12 picks? 8 of which we can trade i think.

as for jenkins's height.. hes only an inch shorter than tramon. completely agree about the character concerns but its just one of those high risk high reward things in my opinion. i dont think its the worst thing in the world if we have one turd running around green bay. but that is just me. im sure johnny jolly wont help his case at all in the front office.
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Jenkins just doesn't get it and that's what troubles all NFL front offices...you would think that after getting dismissed from Florida that Janoris would possibly re-think his conduct and he admitted that he didn't stop smoking pot while at North Alabama and he continues to be someone who sleeps around even though he already has four children...he's clearly not a morally strong individual and has an ego that makes him feel supreme over everyone else (like he's "untouchable")...that type of person, regardless of talent, isn't what Ted Thompson looks for, especially in early round picks and such high investments
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TT likes his CB's tall and he also wants "good guys". Jenkins is neither.
This is why I don't think Jenkins is even going to be considered by the Packers. The character stuff doesn't worry me too much, but he's 5' 10" and everybody and their mother has said that TT won't draft a CB much under the 6' mark. I think he might have taken a couple of 5'11" guys when he was in Seattle, but that's the shortest Wolf/Thompson have ever gone after Wolf took Buckley over Troy Vincent.

Sherman drafting Carroll didn't help the case for shorter CBs.
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Woodson - 6'1
Williams - 5'11
Shields - 5'11
House - 6'0
Bush- 6'0

He definitely likes them tall. Williams and Shields were both undrafted as well, you have to think he'll prefer to pick corners up later in the draft.
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This is why I don't think Jenkins is even going to be considered by the Packers. The character stuff doesn't worry me too much, but he's 5' 10" and everybody and their mother has said that TT won't draft a CB much under the 6' mark. I think he might have taken a couple of 5'11" guys when he was in Seattle, but that's the shortest Wolf/Thompson have ever gone after Wolf took Buckley over Troy Vincent.

Sherman drafting Carroll didn't help the case for shorter CBs.
Not that I disagree with what you said, but height was far from Carroll's biggest problem.
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I know some aren't as high on him, but I'm still fascinated with the idea of handing Kevin Greene a blank slate like Bruce Irvin to work with.
^ Great call ^

Bruce Irvin has two important things you love in an OLB entering the draft.
1) Production getting to the QB.
2) Measurables at the combine demonstrated elite athletic ability, and perfect size as a bonus.

He's not a bad guy either. I have no concerns whatsoever about him as a person. He's not Pac Man Jones or something like that. Not Johnny Jolly.
That "label" is a great gift to us if it allows him to slide to us. Without that so-called baggage, you have a top-10 pick like Von Miller.

He's quicker and faster than Clay is. Think about that. And he's a bit larger.


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Not that I disagree with what you said, but height was far from Carroll's biggest problem.
Has there been any other instance where a player was forced to wear boxing gloves in practice
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^ Great call ^

Bruce Irvin has two important things you love in an OLB entering the draft.
1) Production getting to the QB.
2) Measurables at the combine demonstrated elite athletic ability, and perfect size as a bonus.

He's not a bad guy either. I have no concerns whatsoever about him as a person. He's not Pac Man Jones or something like that. Not Johnny Jolly.
That "label" is a great gift to us if it allows him to slide to us. Without that so-called baggage, you have a top-10 pick like Von Miller.

He's quicker and faster than Clay is. Think about that. And he's a bit larger.

Just FYI Patriots are really high on him.
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^ Great call ^

Bruce Irvin has two important things you love in an OLB entering the draft.
1) Production getting to the QB.
2) Measurables at the combine demonstrated elite athletic ability, and perfect size as a bonus.

He's not a bad guy either. I have no concerns whatsoever about him as a person. He's not Pac Man Jones or something like that. Not Johnny Jolly.
That "label" is a great gift to us if it allows him to slide to us. Without that so-called baggage, you have a top-10 pick like Von Miller.

He's quicker and faster than Clay is. Think about that. And he's a bit larger.

isnt clay 260? or are you referring to when he came out?
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Clay cant be 260! Well he doesnt look it anyway.
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Clay cant be 260! Well he doesnt look it anyway.
well he is actually listed at 255 on wikipedia and on nfl.com. close enough right? haha. anyway maybe he was 260 on madden or something.

i do really like irvins measurables though. havent really seen any game film on him at all.
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