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Old 04-13-2012, 02:15 PM    (permalink
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Also, since it's been talked about in this thread:

When I see Ta'Amu, I see someone who's a much better 43 NT than 34 NT.
Agreed. I love him in a Pat Williams type role from his Minnesota days.

I'm not sure he is stout enough to be a Vince Wilfork type player in a 34

As for the thread;

My guess is Chris Rainey. I think someone could take him at the end of the second/start of the third
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Sounds like Stephon Gilmore is going to go higher than many expect. I think Buffalo might nab him at 10.
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Bob Massie, Stephen Hill and Gilmore.
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Good thread idea. This site gets a little to narrow minded sometimes. Stupid strange things happen in the draft every year that no one predicts. No one could have called Ponder last year going that high before the draft but after people found way to justify it.
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I just don't get it. Someone please explain to me why the 49ers are in need of a TE?

Vernon Davis and Delanie Walker should be enough. But you guys still have a 23 year old Nate Byham on roster too.
They absolutely, positively do NOT "need" a TE. However...

1. Jim Harbaugh absolutely LOVES TEs, and often incorporates 3 on the field at once.
2. Delanie Walker is entering the final year of his contract.
3. Nate Byham is strictly the end-line "blocking" TE a la Justin Peele last season.
4. The Stanford connection.
5. Delanie Walker is only 6'. Fleener's 6'6" height is something the 49ers simply do not have in their arsenal. Prior to the addition of Moss, the 49ers likely had one of the shorter WR/TE corps in the NFL. Vernon Davis is/was their tallest receiving option at 6'3".
6. The 49ers could likely keep Walker or Byham as the #2 FB behind Bruce Miller.
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I have 3 players that I expect to get drafted much higher than we all think,

1. WR Rueben Randle


He is 1" shorter and a step slower than Stephen Hill and a ton safer as a 1st round pick and he is a similar size and skill set to Jeffery without the weight, speed and attutude concerns. It would not shock me if he was the 3rd WR taken.

I think he might go as high as 19 to the Bears.

2. DE/LB Shea McCellin


I think that NFL types have this guy highly ranked compared to the iternet experts and my guess is that he goes much higher than his 2nd or late 1st grade.

I think he can go as high as 18 to the Chargers.

3. DE Chandler Jones

The news that Coples and Upshaw are falling has been paired with the news that Jones is rising. Jones has a ton of untapped physical ability like JPP and Aldon Smith. While he is not as good a prospect as those guys he is a similar type of prospect and the fact that those guys have worked out so well helps Jones.

I think he could go to San Diego, Chicago and maybe as high as the NY Jets.
I think you have pretty well nailed it but I do doubt that Randle gets picked before Hill although I think perhaps they both go in round 1.

It does look like Upshaw and Coples are in a free fall. While Mayock says he wouldn't touch Coples in the draft in any round, I think he still may go in the middle of round 1 but there is no way he sees the top 15.

Upshaw just has too many physical limitations to go round 1 although his instinct is top notch. I think he now slids to round 2.

I really think McClellin and Jones go round 1 towards the 25-32 range. McClellin has the college production and his workouts have shown he has the physical skills to be solid at the next level. Jones is also coming on strong as a possible 4-3 DE who can play at 280-285lbs. or a 3-4 OLB or DE depending on which team drafts him.
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They absolutely, positively do NOT "need" a TE. However...

1. Jim Harbaugh absolutely LOVES TEs, and often incorporates 3 on the field at once.
2. Delanie Walker is entering the final year of his contract.
3. Nate Byham is strictly the end-line "blocking" TE a la Justin Peele last season.
4. The Stanford connection.
5. Delanie Walker is only 6'. Fleener's 6'6" height is something the 49ers simply do not have in their arsenal. Prior to the addition of Moss, the 49ers likely had one of the shorter WR/TE corps in the NFL. Vernon Davis is/was their tallest receiving option at 6'3".
6. The 49ers could likely keep Walker or Byham as the #2 FB behind Bruce Miller.
All good points for Fleener. I like Walker a lot but the guy only had 19 catches for just less than 200 yards and is in his final year of his contract. Fleener is a legit weapon who can play inline or split out wide. Harbaugh can never have too many good TEs.
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1. Russell Wilson - QB Wisconsin

All the tools are there. Everyone knows it. Someone is going to fall in love with this guy and pull the trigger early to make sure they get him. McShay and Kiper have him in the 5th round. I'd say someone snags him up at the end of round 2.

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2. Brian Quick - WR Appalachian State

Again, same thing. The kid has all the tools necessary to be a successful WR in the NFL. Someone will see the size, speed, and college production and be willing to spend a 2nd round draft pick on him. Of all the WR's in this relatively weak class, he's got the most potential to be a true #1.

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3. LaMichael James - RB Oregon

Are you guys noticing a trend in these guys, yet? All highly productive college football players, and all have the tools to make a difference right away. In the age of spread offenses, dynamic backs like James can be used in so many ways. He's not an internet favorite, but I guarantee he's gone by the end of round 2.
I absolutely love James however he puts the ball on the ground way too often which will cost him on draft day. Late round 2 to the middle of round 3 type of prospect.
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Yeah I heard that too, what because Upshaw is not an 'elite' athlete. That is bull if you ask me, kid is a stud outside pass rushing and uses his leverage wonderfully. Any 3/4 team that does not want him on the outside is making a mistake.
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Yeah I heard that too, what because Upshaw is not an 'elite' athlete. That is bull if you ask me, kid is a stud outside pass rushing and uses his leverage wonderfully. Any 3/4 team that does not want him on the outside is making a mistake.
Upshaw also has some character concerns. He didn't interview well for scouts, and that may cause him to slide. Also, I see Upshaw as more of a DE in 4-3 than anything else. I like his ability to edge the pass rush well, but I'm not so sure he's a finisher, so to speak. How's his ability against the run?
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Bruce Irvin from West Virginia is another player that I think could really shock people.

4.5 speed and he has shown he can get to the QB, that is desirable.
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If I had to make a list:

Hebron Fangupo/Josh Chapman - I think it has been stated in this thread already that you can't undervalue a true NT and with a # of teams needing one, someone is going to miss out.

Mike Adams - I don't think he falls as far as a lot of us have him falling. Senior Bowl and game tape will mean more to GMs than the other stuff and after the senior bowl, he was considered by some to be the #2 OT.

Vontaze Burfict - dude gets drafted even though some people have taken him off boards completely.

Chris Givens - I don't know where most have him but I've seen it fluctuate. I think the guy is a 3rd rounder.

A.J. Jenkins - the dude can get open. Has no problems with routes or speed and is a bit underrated.

Michael Brewster - I think the guy ends up being the 2nd center taken, Blake has more upside and may go ahead of him. I just think he is flat out better than Jones.

B.J. Coleman - seriously underrated. Has all the tools, needs to make better decisions but hey, so does Tannehill


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4.5 speed and he has shown he can get to the QB, that is desirable.
The problem with this guy is that I look at him as a situational pass rusher. Yes he has the athleticism to drop back into coverage but I don't see him being able to hold up against the run.
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Janoris Jenkins, Florida/North Alabama
Joe Adams, Arkansas
Jared Crick, Nebraska
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Sanu. His stock has fallen like a rock amongst draftniks lately, but he'll still be a top 40 pick
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Sounds like Stephon Gilmore is going to go higher than many expect. I think Buffalo might nab him at 10.
Totally agreed, I was coming here to post Gilmore as well. I've got him going to Seattle in my latest mock draft.
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This guy as well.

Dude was a first round prospect before the injury. I don't think he loses a step and some mocks have had him as low as the third.
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Another name I want to throw out there is Ron Brooks, CB from LSU. Scott has him as the 31st ranked corner but I think he's one of the top 20 taken at his position.
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A lot of people are talking Stephen Hill, but I see him as a solid 2nd rounder b/c of two things: 1-his rawness and lack of polish (and therefore huge bust potential) and 2-the quantity of quality receivers available this year: Blackmon, Floyd, Wright, Randle, Quick, Jeffery, Sanu.....this isn't like 2010 where there was Dez Bryant and Demaryius Thomas as the top 2 WRs - both being late first rounders with huge ?s.
thomas and bryant were top 10 talents who dropped b/c they raw in terms of route running, bryant was coming off an suspension and thomas got hurt during the pre-draft process, thomas & bryant are more talented than all the top wr in this draft imo
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Oh yeah I forgot Ryan Lindley in the 2-3 range.
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Sanu. His stock has fallen like a rock amongst draftniks lately, but he'll still be a top 40 pick
I don't think he goes top 40 but whoever drafts him is going to get a steal. You might not like it but I want the Jets to grab him at 47.
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Echoing whoever said Janoris Jenkins. Teams are going to overlook the off-field crap because they'll want his skills at CB.
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Lavonte David - size concerns can be ignored, this guy is a player. Just watch him play, he looks like a first rounder from opening kickoff to the final whistle.
He's one of my list

Also, Jamell Fleming and probably Coryell Judie
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Silatolu is still a "Who's that?" player to casual fandom.He seems to be the third OG off the board. With deCastro and Glenn first and second, that would put Silatolu at the top of some classes.

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Silatolu is still a "Who's that?" player to casual fandom.He seems to be the third OG off the board. With deCastro and Glenn first and second, that would put Silatolu at the top of some classes.

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Kevin Zeitler from Wisconsin is easly ahead of Silatolu.
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