Osweiler would be a good fit to learn behind Peyton for a few years. He has the talent to be a very solid QB in the NFL and I think Peyton will be more open to working with a young QB while in Denver. Osweiler could be there for them in the 3rd, also would think they might consider Nick Foles in the 4th.
weeden would be atrociously stupid. i can't imagine EFX is that dumb.
I did a statistical project a few years ago, where I studied the career trajectory of the top-100 passers in NFL history (you would be surprised by some of the names that show up on that list, btw). The trend that you see with the good QBs, is that they have "two peaks." The first comes in their mid-late 20's, when they're still in their physical prime. For a few years after, their performance might decline because they can't get by on raw talent like they used to (Rivers might be in this valley, at the moment). Then, the second peak comes when they're in their early-mid 30's, when they're at the peak of the mental understanding of the game (and before they become physically unable to perform).
The problem with overaged an QB like Weeden, is that he's already past his first peak. You can't reasonably compare him to a 21 or 22 year old QB who has his best physical years ahead of him, and who has a longer timeline to learn an offense and refine his mechanics. Weeden is as old as Aaron Rodgers, and he's not anywhere near as good. You bet your ass that age matters, for a prospect.
Even if Weeden was 23, I don't see a potential franchise QB in him. I don't get why he's any different than that string of Texas Tech QBs under Mike Leech who put up great numbers but just weren't that great of pro prospects. They don't play defense in the Big 12...I mean even Kansas would put up 500 offensive yards yet lose by 30 points.
Plus, why would Denver want to select a 28 year old rookie to develop behind their 36 year old starter? Let's say Peyton manages to play 2-3 years...Weeden will be 31 and probably at the end of his rookie deal. It just seems dumb to me.
If you want to take a 2nd round QB, take someone young with physical tools who might learn a thing or two behind Manning like Osweiler. (Assuming he even makes it to the 2nd round...could see a Blaine Gabbert pre-draft, meteoric rise still.)
Just curious - How do you feel about Griffin? He was obviously a Big 12 QB who put up huge numbers. I really don't see that point being brought up with him and it somewhat baffles me.
It should be noted, but I also think Griffin's physical tools speak for themselves. Great arm, requisite touch and accuracy to go with the great arm, top of the line athleticism, extremely intelligent kid. I think he would have found success anywhere. Plus, beyond Kendall Wright, his supporting talent at Baylor was some of the worst in the conference which makes up a little for how soft the defenses are.
Weeden might have the intelligence and maybe the "touch and accuracy." I don't think his arm is anything special (he had to quit baseball due to injury remember...supposedly doesn't affect his football throwing motion but why risk it?) and he's not even on the same planet in terms of athleticism. Move him out of the Big 12 and you have an older than usual "JAG." At best.
a video detailing his health, and that his neck is not the issue, but more so the nerve regeneration and that he has no more of a chance that his neck will be injured during a hit than anyone else.... the big thing is just waiting for his nerve to regenerate
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a video detail his health, and that his neck is not the issue, but more so the nerved regeneration and that he has no more of a chance that his neck will be injured during a hit than anyone else.... the big thing is just waiting for his nerve to regenerate
This is important for people who think he's damaged goods for some reason. They believe in pessimism over professional doctors and science.
Cecil Lammey saying Broncos have some interest in Brock Osweiler, Brandon Weeden, and BJ Coleman.
Osweiler makes a ton of sense for so many reasons. If I'm Denver I'd be looking at a QB with that 2nd rd pick anyway, I think it's huge with this entire Peyton Manning scenario to make sure they take a QB they like semi-early that they can develop for 2-3 years. Maybe Peyton gets hurt, worst case you have a signal caller you liked sitting behind Peyton Manning and having Elway in his ear.
That's an incredible scenario for any QB and increases the odds of that guy panning out, you've got to take advantage of that and be ready to keep on rolling once Peyton is done.
I trust Elway is going to get a guy he likes though, he hasn't gotten that chance so I think he'll want a guy that suits his preference at QB. That said, I really love Foles if you can develop him and not throw him out there. He's gonna be a solid starter, could exceed that down the line, doesn't have the upside of an Osweiler but he's not quite as risky either.
Originally Posted by Scott Wright
I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.