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Old 04-13-2012, 09:28 AM    (permalink
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Face it. If russell wilson was 3 inches taller, he'd be the #4 qb in this class.
He's short, which will be a huge problem in the nfl
But he's got all the intangables and skills an nfl qb should have.
He's a career backup
...and yet, I STILL want this guy.

And this is coming from a Bengals fan, which already has Andy Dalton.
I think he'll go earlier than expected though, but I wouldn't be mad at all if the Bengals burned one of their 4th or 5th round picks on him if he's available.

I just have a good feeling about that guy.
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Anybody else feel the Eagles are the team that will draft him earlier than expected? Reid is likely going to draft defensive early, but could turn around in the 4th/5th and take Wilson as his QB of the future if Reid stays.
Totally. Don't be surprised if the eagles take him as high as the late 2nd. Sure, it would be a reach, but I can totally see Wilson being their guy and them insuring they get him.
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Totally. Don't be surprised if the eagles take him as high as the late 2nd. Sure, it would be a reach, but I can totally see Wilson being their guy and them insuring they get him.
These are the exact kinda conversations (amongst the right participants), that cause a players stock to rise.
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I just saw this and thought it was a pretty interesting analysis of Wilson:

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i didnt realize how short he was. but, if he was able to see over zeitler and co., im less than worried about that part of his game. his ability to stretch plays with his feet and make accurate throws on the run is crazy.
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i didnt realize how short he was. but, if he was able to see over zeitler and co., im less than worried about that part of his game. his ability to stretch plays with his feet and make accurate throws on the run is crazy.
Yeah, his O-Line at Wisconsin was bigger on average than NFL O-Lines.
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I could see Cleveland rolling the dice on him. I don't think anybody in the NFL gives less of a damn about a QBs height than Holmgren, and he values foot quickness a whole helluva lot. He drafted Seneca Wallace in the fourth round, and he's almost single-handedly responsible for the fact that Wallace has spent the past nine years as an NFL QB.

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I could see Cleveland rolling the dice on him. I don't think anybody in the NFL gives less of a damn about a QBs height, and he values foot quickness a whole helluva lot. He drafted Seneca Wallace in the fourth round, and he's almost single-handedly responsible for the fact that Wallace has spent the past nine years as an NFL QB.
Nice to see I'm not the only who sees Holmgren getting a Seneca Wallace-ian boner for this kid. Especially if he interviewed well with them.
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Nice to see I'm not the only who sees Holmgren getting a Seneca Wallace-ian boner for this kid. Especially if he interviewed well with them.
Seneca Wallace or Drew Brees? More likely somewhere in the middle. Wilson has a better arm than either. As you say, all reports are that his intangibles are top drawer. Its a loaded drawer, unlike last year.

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Yeah, his O-Line at Wisconsin was bigger on average than NFL O-Lines.
It's not the OLine that is the problem. It's the super-athletic, super-big, super-aware Dlineman and rushbackers (the super being comparatively to college.) Going against Wilson, coaches will tell players to worry less about sacks and just be ready to get up and play volleyball.

He's also got a relatively low release point and a hitch (tell) in his delivery. It's a shame he's not a few inches taller but I can't see him being more than a situational backup.
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Seneca Wallace or Drew Brees? More likely somewhere in the middle. Wilson has a better arm than either. As you say, all reports are that his intangibles are top drawer. Its a loaded drawer, unlike last year.

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Brees was taller, released the ball quicker and higher, and had to develope elite accuracy and touch to become even just a quality starter. If Wilson has a better career than Wallace has then he'll have done for himself.
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Drew Brees has probably singlehandedly raised the stock of every short QB over the last 8 years or so, pushing their stock to places it should never be just out of hope.
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Drew Brees has probably singlehandedly raised the stock of every short QB over the last 8 years or so, pushing their stock to places it should never be just out of hope.
Well few people remember the Troy Smith's of the NFL who weren't able to overcome their height while Drew Brees sticks out as a short guy who made it, so any short guy can be the next Drew Brees!
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Is Doug Flutie the best 5'10" QB in modern NFL history?
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Jeff Blake was another NO six footer who was a good NFL QB for about 4-5 years.
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Steve Young is usually listed as 6'2", but everybody always thought he was closer to 6'0" on a tall day. This picture might support that (Favre is 6'2").

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[quote=WCH;2951672]Steve Young is usually listed as 6'2", but everybody always thought he was closer to 6'0" on a tall day. This picture might support that (Favre is 6'2").

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I've seen enough pictures of Steve Young next to Jerry Rice for me to believe he really is 6'2.



Above is Steve Young's HOF class photo.
Staubach is 6'3 standing next to Warren Moon who is the same height.
Rice kinda looks a smidge taller than Young, but not two inches taller.
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I don't think Jerry is a full 6'2, and Steve looks a lil smaller, hair included.
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I think more the problem than height is that a lot of those short guys just don't get a ton of velocity on their throws. Not all, but I bet a lot of short guys washed out more because of their arm than their height really.
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Actually height does not concern me, the height of when the ball is rleased is more accurate way to finding out if someone is too short. Drew Brees has a very compact over the top delivery and does not throw wit ha very wide base. Matt Cassel throws 3/4s and a very wide base. I am guessing they throw from a similar release height
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He's also got a relatively low release point and a hitch (tell) in his delivery. It's a shame he's not a few inches taller but I can't see him being more than a situational backup.
Russell Wilson has increased the height of his release point each year of his college career. On nearly all throws, aside from rollout tosses to the sidelines, his release is above his helmet.

I don't have any reason to understand why you believe he has a low release point. I'd love to see evidence of this.
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Brees was taller, released the ball quicker and higher, and had to develope elite accuracy and touch to become even just a quality starter. If Wilson has a better career than Wallace has then he'll have done for himself.
What's your point? Every college QB has to make huge adjustmentsto become a viable starter, much less a Pro Bowl player.

It is the difference between cannot and will not. Seneca Wallace could not succeeed, because he did not have the toolbox. We have reason to believe Wilson has a better tool set, both physical and internal. Whether he will succeed is another question. I am simply saying it is possible.

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What's your point? Every college QB has to make huge adjustmentsto become a viable starter, much less a Pro Bowl player.

It is the difference between cannot and will not. Seneca Wallace could not succeeed, because he did not have the toolbox. We have reason to believe Wilson has a better tool set, both physical and internal. Whether he will succeed is another question. I am simply saying it is possible.

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My issue was the range you were placing on him. IMO him ending up as good as Brees is just a little more likely than him never taking an NFL snap. You made it seem like Seneca Wallace was his floor when he'll need to put in a lot of work just to match the career Wallace has had. now I do think he could be a better Seneca Wallace, but realistically Wallace isn't a bad projection for him and not his floor.
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Exactly. He's had a long career as a backup/spot starter. That's a heck of an accomplishment given how raw and short he is. For Wilson to surpass that by even a little bit would be an excellent accomplishment, and definitely isn't some sort of worst case scenario.
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