New York Giants Discussion - Page 196

bigbluedefense · 04-20-2012, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Deossie is a great special teams player. Not many long snappers consistenly get down the field to make tackles like he does.

Also, Trey Junkin.

He made 10 tackles last year. 10.

That's not exactly world beater numbers. And he had some bad snaps this year too. Weatherford saved a lot of them. The game winning FG vs the 49ers in the NFCCG and 1 in the SB come to mind immediately.

LTgiants · 04-20-2012, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

He made 10 tackles last year. 10.

That's not exactly world beater numbers. And he had some bad snaps this year too. Weatherford saved a lot of them. The game winning FG vs the 49ers in the NFCCG and 1 in the SB come to mind immediately.

Can you name another ls that can make 10 tackles?

bigbluedefense · 04-20-2012, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LTgiants

Can you name another ls that can make 10 tackles?

You know how insignificant 10 tackles is? Think about how many times he long snapped on a punt this year. And out of all those times, he made 10 tackles. That's less than 1 tackle a game avg.

My point is we can't justify him being a great long snapper by him shooting down the field when all it results in is 10 tackles. Big deal. His actual long snapping is much more important, and he had some bad snaps this season. Weatherford just did a great job cleaning up his snaps on some FGs.

Giantsfan1080 · 04-20-2012, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

He made 10 tackles last year. 10.

That's not exactly world beater numbers. And he had some bad snaps this year too. Weatherford saved a lot of them. The game winning FG vs the 49ers in the NFCCG and 1 in the SB come to mind immediately.

Just because he doesn't make the tackle doesn't mean he's not down the field quick. I bet he's the best long snapper in the NFL who can get down the field. I don't think you can downplay that. He had the 1 bad snap in the SF game. No one is perfect.

LTgiants · 04-20-2012, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

You know how insignificant 10 tackles is? Think about how many times he long snapped on a punt this year. And out of all those times, he made 10 tackles. That's less than 1 tackle a game avg.

My point is we can't justify him being a great long snapper by him shooting down the field when all it results in is 10 tackles. Big deal. His actual long snapping is much more important, and he had some bad snaps this season. Weatherford just did a great job cleaning up his snaps on some FGs.

I think about how many times he was one of the first guys down the field on punt coverage and was always near or around the ball carrier on the st.

The fact that he only has 10 tackles doesn't mean he sucks on specials. Like I said before I remember him always being near the ball most of the time which I am sure helped others get some tackles.

bigbluedefense · 04-20-2012, 08:41 PM

I'm still bitter than his 6 4" 250 lb 4.6 40 ass couldn't develop for **** as a linebacker.

He showed no effort either. The physicality you saw from him in college was nonexistent in the PS when he became a pro. His muscle definition also went to ****. Almost makes me wonder if he was roiding in college and went off the roids in the Pros.

Giantsfan1080 · 04-20-2012, 08:55 PM

Let's not forget while we loved the pick because of his potential there was some serious concerns whether or not he could make the leap to NFL LB. To me it was worth a gamble and it's just unfortunate it didn't work out. At least we didn't totally waste the pick though because he is does provide a lot to the team.

bigbluedefense · 04-20-2012, 08:59 PM

I'm upset that Alford got hurt. I thought he was going to be good. He was a great pass rushing DT before the ACL. It's a shame he could never recover from it.

scottyboy · 04-21-2012, 01:18 AM

BBD just has a ridiculous hatred for DeOssie that I've never understood

NY+Giants=NYG · 04-21-2012, 09:51 AM

I wonder if it was a business decision. Why risk playing LB and injury and getting cut or being 2nd string, when you can specialize? Just like his dad said you learn to snap, and you can be around for like 20 years. So I wonder if he didn't get that LB job, that we just put him there, he flourished, and now that's his specialty. Now he can be there all his career in that one role. Doesn't have to bother about being cut, or hurt often, or anything like that.

NY+Giants=NYG · 04-21-2012, 06:27 PM

Did Giants take shot at Jets on Twitter?

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/gia...ets-on-twitter

I am posting it so it's saved here and I can refer back to it when needed.

Giantsfan1080 · 04-21-2012, 06:28 PM

Did you just see that for the first time?

NY+Giants=NYG · 04-22-2012, 10:55 AM

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Did you just see that for the first time?

No, i needed the quote though. So I posted the link in here for future use if i need it.

bigbluedefense · 04-29-2012, 11:56 AM

I really don't like how the front office feels comfortable giving Beatty another year to prove himself at LT. How many years do you need?

Beatty sucks, let's call it like it is. He sucks. It sounds like Beatty is going to be LT and Diehl RT. Or if Brewer somehow can really step up next year maybe we can save ourselves from Beatty.

But right here right now, I really don't like going into training camp with Beatty as our starting LT.

Rosebud · 04-29-2012, 02:34 PM

Beatty didn't suck two years ago before he got hurt, but yeah, last season he got pushed around and the man's always hurt. This is my biggest issue with our draft. I like all of our top three picks, but if we coulda found away to secure Mike Adams or Cordy Glenn, I'd love them.

scottyboy · 04-29-2012, 02:37 PM

right now I'd say Beatty is going to be given a chance and our line is going to be:
Beatty-Petrus/Boothe-Baas-Snee-Diehl

bigbluedefense · 04-29-2012, 07:35 PM

If Beatty still looks like he's 290 lbs soaking wet, then I just want him cut. There's 2 guys who basically have this year to prove themselves: Beatty and Barden.

Both of those guys are on their last chance. We'll see this year how bad Barden wants to be a football player.

I think it's a telling sign that when Reese was asked about why he doesn't move around in the draft, his answer was that the last time we did that it didn't work out, so we're weary of doing it again.

Guess when was the last time we did it? When we moved up for Barden.

That line, coupled with Barden being in the dog house, coupled with him not even being activated during our playoff run, coupled with us taking a WR in round 2 tells me everything I need to know. The team has given up on Barden.

He basically has to save his job this year, bc if he continues to suck, I'm not even sure if he'll make it out of training camp.

Giantsfan1080 · 04-29-2012, 07:44 PM

Traded up for Sinorice Moss also.

bigbluedefense · 04-29-2012, 07:48 PM

I'm still amazed at how bad Sinorice Moss was.

Btw, the 2010 draft class is looking pretty awful.

1. Nicks - stud.
2. Sintim - most likely cut. Never a good fit and injuries did him in.
2. Beatty - looks like a career backup at this point in his career.
3. Barden - very close to being cut. this is his final year to prove himself.
3. Beckum - creampuff.
4. Andre Brown - achilles injury killed his career before it even started.
5. Rhett Bomar - failed qb experiment.
6. Some guy - cut
7. Some guy - cut

So basically, as it stands right now, we only got 1 player out of that draft class. The amazing thing about that is, that draft class was probably my favorite of all our draft classes the day of the draft. We drafted everyone I wanted at those points in the draft and I was so pumped up about it. Just shows you that we really don't know what we're talking about most of the time.

Giantsfan1080 · 04-29-2012, 08:03 PM

Yeah that turned out to be really awful. I loved the draft as well.

bigbluedefense · 04-30-2012, 07:24 AM

Osi is bitching again. I think he'll be a Giant this year bc he really has no other option, but this is his last year with the Giants.

I don't know how the dynamic is going to work with him coming off the bench, it doesn't sound like he's gonna play good soldier and be a situational player for us.

Rosebud · 04-30-2012, 06:48 PM

With the lack of Safeties in the NFL and the potential big money Rolle and Phillips could require soon, maybe we're planning on transitioning TT into Rolle's role? Webster, Prince and Hosely is a strong trio if they're healthy and we'll probably take another one on the first two days of the draft next year. Not saying TT plays exclusively safety by any measure, but if everything goes well health wise I think he'll be the third safety in our 3 safety sets. Granted, next year we could see a bunch of first round caliber safeties in the draft and few corners so the giants end up just drafting a steal at safety and keeping TT at corner full time.

Giantsfan1080 · 04-30-2012, 08:14 PM

Well Rolle is already the highest paid S in the league so we don't have to worry about him. This year is going to be very important in re-signing all of our young superstars though including Nicks, JPP, Phillips, and Cruz. We better hope that cap goes up.

Bostonblows91 · 04-30-2012, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosebud

With the lack of Safeties in the NFL and the potential big money Rolle and Phillips could require soon, maybe we're planning on transitioning TT into Rolle's role? Webster, Prince and Hosely is a strong trio if they're healthy and we'll probably take another one on the first two days of the draft next year. Not saying TT plays exclusively safety by any measure, but if everything goes well health wise I think he'll be the third safety in our 3 safety sets. Granted, next year we could see a bunch of first round caliber safeties in the draft and few corners so the giants end up just drafting a steal at safety and keeping TT at corner full time.

I really don't see TT moving to safety any time soon, the guy was our best corner on the field a lot of the time in 2010, barring some huge slip in performance or speed he will stay at corner. You don't have to worry about rolle making more money, i think he's 3rd in the league in salary so he has nowhere to go but down in terms of salary. KP is definitely worth keeping around though.

Edit: @ BBD so much hate for beatty, he was far and away our best offensive lineman before he went down with that freak eye injury, his years prior to 2011 were underwhelming but he played at a very high level last year. Also I feel so bad for sintim, hated seeing him go down with that knee injury early on.

BaLLiN · 05-01-2012, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bostonblows91

I really don't see TT moving to safety any time soon, the guy was our best corner on the field a lot of the time in 2010, barring some huge slip in performance or speed he will stay at corner. You don't have to worry about rolle making more money, i think he's 3rd in the league in salary so he has nowhere to go but down in terms of salary. KP is definitely worth keeping around though.

Edit: @ BBD so much hate for beatty, he was far and away our best offensive lineman before he went down with that freak eye injury, his years prior to 2011 were underwhelming but he played at a very high level last year. Also I feel so bad for sintim, hated seeing him go down with that knee injury early on.

so far from the truth