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Old 05-06-2012, 03:09 AM    (permalink
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Lawlz. People are underrating the Saints criminally. I love it.
Ive never been as confident of reaching the playoffs as i am this season. IMO this is the best saints team ever talentwise
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Josh Freeman still might be the most overrated player in the entire NFL on these boards.
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Baltimore, Tennessee, Detroit, New Orleans and Atlanta all barely miss out and ends up picking 16-20 in the draft.
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Lawlz. People are underrating the Saints criminally. I love it.
No one questions your talent. But it's going to be extremely difficult to overcome not having a HC for the whole season. I don't want to hear about the interim coach. Nobody respects an interim boss. In any walk of life, the interim boss is just a space eater.

I think the Giants are getting underrated. Half the people here don't have us making the playoffs.
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No one questions your talent. But it's going to be extremely difficult to overcome not having a HC for the whole season. I don't want to hear about the interim coach. Nobody respects an interim boss. In any walk of life, the interim boss is just a space eater.

I think the Giants are getting underrated. Half the people here don't have us making the playoffs.
Dude this is like the Vice President taking over for the Presidet. And if you think our guys don't respect Vitt and Kromer you're way off.

Also most don't have y'all making the playoffs because y'all back into the playoffs almost every year.
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No one questions your talent. But it's going to be extremely difficult to overcome not having a HC for the whole season. I don't want to hear about the interim coach. Nobody respects an interim boss. In any walk of life, the interim boss is just a space eater.

I think the Giants are getting underrated. Half the people here don't have us making the playoffs.
I really doubt that there will be much of a leadership void on offense, if only because of Brees. The defense has a new DC and he is the sole boss of the defense anyway so im not that bothered about that either.
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Interesting the # of people who have Cincinnati making it back. I'm not saying you should have Baltimore in over them so let's not go into the homer argument.

However, I think Cinci is probably the most likely team to not make a return. All of their wins last year came against inferior opponents and failed to get a single win against the two powerhouses in the division.

With a harder schedule this year, they may have trouble breaking .500 much less making the playoffs

NYJ
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GB
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BAL
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JAC
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KC
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Bold is what I will call "likely wins". If they can win 1 or 2 of the questionable games (this is generous as they really only won "should win" games last year) they will just break .500
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Its not that simple. The distractions alone, all the questions about bounty gate all season long, the atmosphere is going to be completely different. It's not just about talent. It's not going to be easy focusing solely on your opponent every week with so much going on around you.
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Its not that simple. The distractions alone, all the questions about bounty gate all season long, the atmosphere is going to be completely different. It's not just about talent. It's not going to be easy focusing solely on your opponent every week with so much going on around you.
I think it helps to be honest, it shoudl be an "us against the world" type of thing. I guess that can fall 2 ways but i actually think the saints will be better due to the mess and not worse
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That remains to be seen, even if the Coaching staff is not an issue there are other questions that linger.

How will the O-line adjust to losing our most physical Linemen (Nicks), Grubbs has a great track record but how fast will he gel into our system? Will Brees miss most of training camp, and will he even get the long term contract he's been wanting, and deserves. This is growing to be a bigger issue every day it goes unresolved.

Still have some issues on Defense, we have a bunch of unproven DEs, will any of them step up, because Will Smith will be suspended 4 games again. We lost Vilma for the season, we got Lofton though so that softens that blow, but we're also going to have an entirely new LB corps. Oh and Roman Harper is still back there playing Safety, I like his physicality but unless he greatly improved his coverage skills QBs will test him all year in coverage again.

I'm not saying that we'll suck, but I wouldn't be surprised if we dropped to an 8-8, 9-7 type season that might not be enough to make the playoffs. Mainly because the rest of the NFC South seems have made big strides in improving their teams, even Carolina looks a lot more dangerous.

I think it's either this bountygate thing was blown out of proportion and we do really well, or there will be some kind of letdown from all the fallout. It's way too hard to tell.
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North: Cincinnati
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I see almost everyone has the Broncos in the playoffs--either from the West or as a Wild Card. I know this is to be expected consider the big splashes in the offseason, but I just can't say they will be that good with any degree of certainty.

The AFC West is still a massive cluster of **** with way more question marks than answers. I'd be very concerned about the ability of the Broncos to run the ball with Tebow out and McGahee's history. Keep in mind McGahee hadn't put in a solid season for 4 years. And that defense? Will it be able to perform well moving forward?

The Chiefs have a ton of players coming back from major injuries, but they are full of game breakers. I just really don't like their QB at all. I think they may have the best chance of knocking the Broncos out of the West if they can just overcome a bad QB.
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I see almost everyone has the Broncos in the playoffs--either from the West or as a Wild Card. I know this is to be expected consider the big splashes in the offseason, but I just can't say they will be that good with any degree of certainty.

The AFC West is still a massive cluster of **** with way more question marks than answers. I'd be very concerned about the ability of the Broncos to run the ball with Tebow out and McGahee's history. Keep in mind McGahee hadn't put in a solid season for 4 years. And that defense? Will it be able to perform well moving forward?

The Chiefs have a ton of players coming back from major injuries, but they are full of game breakers. I just really don't like their QB at all. I think they may have the best chance of knocking the Broncos out of the West if they can just overcome a bad QB.
I think you see Ronnie Hillman carry some of the rock. Peyton Manning hasn't shown any sign of not being effective yet. It is difficult to think now will be that time. 9-10 wins seems pretty solid.
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I think you see Ronnie Hillman carry some of the rock. Peyton Manning hasn't shown any sign of not being effective yet. It is difficult to think now will be that time. 9-10 wins seems pretty solid.
Only that he missed an entire season, had about a dozen surgeries, has seen his yards per attempt drop a full yard, turned 36 a month ago and saw his career in jeopardy. But we should expect vintage Peyton with the Broncos.

And Ronnie Hillman? Don't get me wrong, he's an okay prospect, but if the success of the Broncos hinges on him being able to take the load that McGahee and Tebow shared last year, Denver is in more trouble than I thought.
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AFC East - New England (as long as Tom Brady is Tom Brady this is an easy pick)

AFC North - Baltimore (or Pittsburgh, flip a coin... one is division champ, other is WC. I like what Cincinnati is doing. Guess I just have to see it again)

AFC South - Tennessee (there are surprises every year, I'll pick this as one of them. I think Houston is the better team, but that doesn't always matter)

AFC West - Denver (no reason to not pick them. I stopped picking SD years ago. All the "experts" love to pick SD to win this division every year. Lol. At least they can pick the Broncos for a couple years now. I'm a fan of KC's talent... but I just don't see it leading them to a division title)

WC - Baltimore
WC- NY Jets

NFC East - New York (I've got love for ya Giants fans. Wasn't impressed with the "dream team" last year. Still not impressed with them this year.)

NFC North - Green Bay (love this division. Chicago is a good team, but that only gets them 3rd place in this division...)

NFC South - New Orleans (I've got love for the Saints fans as well. Atlanta is #2 for me. Carolina is on the rise. Don't believe that the Bucs are really all that much better.)

NFC West - San Francisco (we don't go 13-3 this year, but we are still better than anyone else in this division. Yes, even with "game managing" Alex Smith still at QB. Because Flynn, Bradford, and Kolb are soooo much better than him. Lol. We do have to improve some on offense (and I believe we will) because Seattle is a solid team, St. Louis will be a team to watch out for in the near future, and Arizona has a good core of players as well. If only you guys had a game manager at QB like us you might be able to win this division.)

WC - Atlanta
WC - Detroit
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Only that he missed an entire season, had about a dozen surgeries, has seen his yards per attempt drop a full yard, turned 36 a month ago and saw his career in jeopardy. But we should expect vintage Peyton with the Broncos.

And Ronnie Hillman? Don't get me wrong, he's an okay prospect, but if the success of the Broncos hinges on him being able to take the load that McGahee and Tebow shared last year, Denver is in more trouble than I thought.
It'll be a split between McGahee/Hillman with Lance Ball tossed in I imagine.
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I just don't see how Seattle overtakes SF this year. And I say this as a blatant Seahawks homer, Niner hater and former Bay area resident. The 49ers seriously upgraded their offensive talent, bring all of their defense back and have no lockout to worry about.

All the Seahawks did was make a slight upgrade at QB (which is what most of the rational franchise thinks Flynn is) and add a couple of 3rd down pass rushers(Bruce Irvin, Jason Jones). Just don't see how that makes up for the vast talent level difference even if the 49ers don't have a crazy turnover differential.
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I see almost everyone has the Broncos in the playoffs--either from the West or as a Wild Card. I know this is to be expected consider the big splashes in the offseason, but I just can't say they will be that good with any degree of certainty.

The AFC West is still a massive cluster of **** with way more question marks than answers. I'd be very concerned about the ability of the Broncos to run the ball with Tebow out and McGahee's history. Keep in mind McGahee hadn't put in a solid season for 4 years. And that defense? Will it be able to perform well moving forward?

The Chiefs have a ton of players coming back from major injuries, but they are full of game breakers. I just really don't like their QB at all. I think they may have the best chance of knocking the Broncos out of the West if they can just overcome a bad QB.
Peyton Manning at 50% will still be more productive than Tim Tebow at the QB position even if the strength of the team turns out to be this highly effective and highly opportunistic D it still makes them one of the top two favorites in the division along with the Chiefs who noone seems to be talking much about right now.
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SanFran just feels like a team that'll have a disappointing season. They'll probably hold off Seattle, but if that secondary stops getting turnovers left and right, guys like Carlos Rogers go back to their stone hands-y ways, they get some less awesome luck with injuries and bounces, and I think this race comes down to the last couple weeks. With just competent QB play I like Seattle a lot, I figure Flynn and Smith will be a wash, but I personally prefer Beastmode and that rushing attack over the 9ers running game. 9ers have a better defense, but Seattle is also great against the run, has a strong secondary and have brought in more pass rushers. Two very similar teams IMO and it'll be very close.

I actually think NO walks away with the south but every time I start to type it I talk myself out of it, don't trust the Falcons to be better than solid, don't trust the Panthers' D to not be terrible. Don't really trust the Bucs either, but the top end of what kind of performance out fo the team wouldn't surprise me is much higher than any of the other teams in the division, so wtf not.

Detroit's getting better, but as long as Cutler, Forte, Marshall, Peppers, Briggs, Gould and Urlacher are healthy I'm picking them to make the playoffs. They were well on their way last year and now have better receivers, even if their OL still sucks monkey balls.

As far as the East goes, it's really just a crap shoot which of the top 3 gets in. In the NFCE forum I voted for 11, 10 and 9 wins for the Giants, Iggles and Cowboys and I'm still not sure which team ends up with which record. Ultimately I think the Cowboys growing OL and improved secondary will get them ahead of the Eagles when Vick goes down for a couple weeks at some point in the season.

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I actually think Houston is also going to come back to earth a little bit as that defense settles in. Ultimately still division champs and get a bye week, but they'll have to wait longer to clinch since I really like Tennessee. That offense is going to be elite in the coming years and it might not be this year, but that's a team that's going to just explode, kinda like a more physical Eagles offense. Once Locker, Britt, Wright, Cook, CJ2k and the OL are all settled in and on the field together, that'll be a scary unit.

The Bills I think finally get into the playoffs since I see the Jets struggling this year and the Bills are going to have a great running game, great DL, deep young secondary and a competent QB with some solid weapons. Add great special teams and some luck from the football gods and playoff football will be back for the Bills.

I like Cincy a lot, but with the way Pittsburgh was able to boost its OL in the draft I think Big Ben stays healthy this year and the LeBeau squeezes another strong season out of the defense. Leading to another division title for the Stillers before passing the torch, at least temporarily, to the Bengals.
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I just don't see how Seattle overtakes SF this year. And I say this as a blatant Seahawks homer, Niner hater and former Bay area resident. The 49ers seriously upgraded their offensive talent, bring all of their defense back and have no lockout to worry about.

All the Seahawks did was make a slight upgrade at QB (which is what most of the rational franchise thinks Flynn is) and add a couple of 3rd down pass rushers(Bruce Irvin, Jason Jones). Just don't see how that makes up for the vast talent level difference even if the 49ers don't have a crazy turnover differential.
On top of that, they retained every member of their quality coaching staff (which is the biggest reason the 49ers are so hard to beat).

Won't surprise me to see them regress in wins (in general, 13 wins is hard enough to repeat). I can see SF in the 10/11 win range this year.
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Also most don't have y'all making the playoffs because y'all back into the playoffs almost every year.
Would anyone really have any respect for a Biden, Cheney or Gore presidency?...
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