Baltimore Ravens Discussion

[America]

Originally Posted by Ravens1991

Jacoby Jones visits the Ravens. Thoughts? I know America didnt want him but he can fill the need as a PR for us.

While Ozzie and co. have said they like the guys we have at wideout, signing Jacoby would indicate they weren't completely satisfied even if Jacoby is coming for a PR/KR role, because he'd be taking one of the gameday spots for the young guys. I'd like to see Tandon Doss produce, but I'm skeptical after last years ineptitude. I like Streeter as a development guy and I know the coaches like LaQuan Williams as a special teams guy. Regardless of whether or not we sign J.Jones, I expect David Reed to be cut. Although Jacoby had that disastrous fumble in the playoff game returning a punt, he still can be good in that capacity, despite most always making mistakes at the worst time. But his inconsistency just drives me crazy and I'd prefer seeing the younger guys develop.

[Ravens1991]

I would like him because he gives us a legit vertical threat besides Smith. I love Doss but Pitta/Dickson/Boldin are all fine short to intermediate targets. Get Jones and make him a deep threat for us is able to help Smith out. I agree Williams is a great special team guy, streeter a good developmental guy and Reed will probably get an injury settlement and get outta here.

[Ravens1991]

We just signed Jacoby Jones. I like this pick up. A great deep threat and PR guy.

[America]

I just hope the change of scenery will be good for him. Two of my favorite Texans (Leach and Pollard) turned out well for us last year.

[Ravens1991]

What was his biggest issues in Houston? I remember in the regular season he torched us for a deep TD.

[BmoreBlackByrdz]

I think the special team errors he had vs. us in the playoffs pushed him out the door in Houston.

Outside of those, I do believe he was a solid return man. Him and Asa Jackson should compete for our KR/PR jobs.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Just don't count on him as a receiver more than running a vertical.

[TACKLE]

Originally Posted by SeanTaylorRIP

Just don't count on him as a receiver more than running a vertical.

Meh I can live with that. Outside of Torrey, everyone else we have is basically just an underneath guy.

[EdReedUnstoppable]

Not overly crazy for either move I like Jacoby Jones but that's too much money and there is no need to extend Pollard through 2015. I'm ok with them but not going crazy for either one.

[Sloopy]

Originally Posted by EdReedUnstoppable

Not overly crazy for either move I like Jacoby Jones but that's too much money and there is no need to extend Pollard through 2015. I'm ok with them but not going crazy for either one.

Yea 7 mil is a bit much for a guy who may only impact the return game. I know we struggled in that department last year but it doesn't mean we didn't overpay.

He has the ability to run 9 routes but I don't think defenses will be sweating him taking the top off.

Still, I like that we addressed the return game.

[coordinator0]

Originally Posted by EdReedUnstoppable

Not overly crazy for either move I like Jacoby Jones but that's too much money and there is no need to extend Pollard through 2015. I'm ok with them but not going crazy for either one.

He would have been a free agent after this season. I don't see anything wrong with the move.

[America]

Originally Posted by Ravens1991

What was his biggest issues in Houston? I remember in the regular season he torched us for a deep TD.

Jacoby's biggest issue was overall inconsistency. He struggled getting separation, and he had lapses in concentration in the return game and locating the ball. Basically, every good play was followed by an equally bad play. He's a great athlete and has good size so I'm sure he'll help as a #3. He was forced into to much playing time with Andre out and Kevin Walter not being that effective either.

[EdReedUnstoppable]

Originally Posted by coordinator0

He would have been a free agent after this season. I don't see anything wrong with the move.

This is a guy who has a history of having 1 good year then declining in every system he's been in, no need to lock him up right now.

[America]

Originally Posted by EdReedUnstoppable

This is a guy who has a history of having 1 good year then declining in every system he's been in, no need to lock him up right now.

Can't speak for the Chiefs, but he was completely misused in Houston, especially in his second season there, when they tried to play him like Ed Reed. I would say it's more of the system being flawed than a consistent 2nd year decline.

[Ravens1991]

Reports are we offered a 3rd for Osi. I geuss it really is superbowl or bust this year.

[TACKLE]

Originally Posted by Ravens1991

Reports are we offered a 3rd for Osi. I geuss it really is superbowl or bust this year.

Aaron Wilson is saying 'it's extremely unlikely to happen'.

[Sloopy]

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/pos...dd-two-players

This is the kind of stuff I want to see, I love Yanda. I know he didn't lose any money on it, but it's still a nice gesture.

[Matthew Jones]

Ravens fans should check this out:

http://www.advancednflstats.com/2012...agent-rbs.html

Very interesting article about running back contracts. The article concludes that top-tier running backs are worth roughly $6 million per season, but Rice seems like a lock to get a significantly bigger contract.

[Sloopy]

Originally Posted by Matthew Jones

Ravens fans should check this out:

http://www.advancednflstats.com/2012...agent-rbs.html

Very interesting article about running back contracts. The article concludes that top-tier running backs are worth roughly $6 million per season, but Rice seems like a lock to get a significantly bigger contract.

I tend to agree but it the FO is in a position of being damned if they do damned if they don't, very similar to Flacco's extension.

You could say, "no we aren't paying you what you want," but they will walk. If you let either walk, you better start packing up your office.

End of the day, I am more okay with paying Rice the money than Flacco

[Matthew Jones]

I agree completely; Rice is more essential to Baltimore's success than Flacco. Have there been any rumors regarding what the Ravens are going to pay either?

[coordinator0]

Nope, it's rare to hear anything like that with the Ravens. I'm not too worried about their potential contracts though. The team has done a good job with the last few big deals they've given out. Rice deserves the money he's going to get (no way the team lets him walk) and I've already prepared myself to expect Flacco to be overpaid. He's a QB that's won a ton of games already. I would expect just about any team to give him a lot of money if they were in the Ravens situation. That's not really an excuse but I've accepted it as just the way it is. Of course I don't think Flacco is a bad QB either, he's above average and I think he's good enough to win the team a Superbowl with the talent around him.

[Sloopy]

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/201...ravens-rookies

I wont bog this down with quotes, but a few key points:

- Upshaw looking good at multiple positions and had a good showing in coverage.

- KO looking good athleticism/feet

- Streeter in extremely good shape and had a great showing

- Also we signed 20 UDFAs

Looking good

[SeanTaylorRIP]

But really what rookie camp reports are ever negative unless a guy comes in out of shape like AJ Jenkins did in San Francisco. However I do think Osemele could be the guy being looked over with all the attention on Upshaw because I do believe if he performs well he changes the dynamic of the offense.

[coordinator0]

Originally Posted by SeanTaylorRIP

But really what rookie camp reports are ever negative unless a guy comes in out of shape like AJ Jenkins did in San Francisco. However I do think Osemele could be the guy being looked over with all the attention on Upshaw because I do believe if he performs well he changes the dynamic of the offense.

I agree with this. Grubbs was a really good player for the Ravens but he wasn't a big factor in the running game. I've felt that part of the offense has been inconsistent the past couple of seasons and adding a guy who can potentially be dominant in that area inside is great. Of course if Reid wins the battle the run-blocking is going to be better as well.

[A Perfect Score]

I'm telling you, Asa Jackson will be a player for Baltimore. Loved the pick, love the player. Really think we found something there, good to hear he's looking sharp so far.