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Old 03-06-2007, 08:21 PM    (permalink
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Thats true he would just be adacutely filling a roster spot
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I will gladly bet anything that Ross Kolod%&$#zjzjziej will not be on the roster next year.

Why would we cut him then? Defensive Tackle depth was already a problem.

He was making the league minimum. If we re-signed him in the new market, he would probably end up with a higher salary then if we didn't cut him in the first place. Why would we cut him and then bring him back at a higher salary?

Find me one reason for cutting him and then re-signing him.
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No, you don't waste a top 10 pick a DT when the 2 DT's we have
are pro bowl caliber.
Since Brad Johnson left Pat Williams has got to be the oldest guy on the roster. He has a year or two left in him. A DT would for sure see the feild.

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one of the best tandem in the league and the Nickel is good enough
to start on 4 or 5 teams..
Winfeild is very good, but Griffin? He started in what 3 or 4 games? Can we go though a full season with him covering starting WR's before we dub them one of the best tandem of corners in the NFL?

You can't possibly be refering to Devonte Edwards as being good enough to start elsewhere.

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what you DO , do is take superior talent at a position where you're weak.
Like it or not QB is as weak a position to us as WR.
That's just a fact, deal with it.
Adding another unproven guy to the mix doesn't fix it. If anything they should bring in a vet as insurance.

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Spencer Johnson and Ross Kolodziej are both capable of playing a down and Both Williams' RARELY take plays off at the same time. and when exactly did I say DT depth shouldn't be addressed ?????
You can rotate in defensive tackles, D-ends, running backs, WR's, FB's, CB's, o-linemen and safetys. Untill Childress makes a 2 QB set I dont see the point of another unproven QB. Two of them is enough is enough.

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Someone like a Mebane / Harrell / McBean or marcus Thomas could very easily be taken in the 3rd or 4th and would be more than adequate to play sparingly...you don't take a DT at 7 unless you need a starter and believe
that whoever is there at 7 would be a starter almost from day 1.
They could draft a 3rd string QB late too. Makes more sence than drafting a 3rd string QB 7th overall. A DT would see the feild for sure.




A little birdy says that Brady Quinn and Kevin Curtis have the same agent. Maybe this is why the entire staff was at Quinns pro day, Kevin Curtis' agent was there and Kevin was Childress' "top priority". Made for a nice smoke screen too. Two birds one rock.

Last year nobody knew about Jackson's secret work out for team scouts before the draft. This whole thing is a huge charade. Childress loves to keep things out of the public eye. Practices are closed, he does not like answering questions from the media, and last year they were quoted saying that this time of year it best to keep things "under your vest". The plan is the same this year.
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If Brady is available at the Vikings pick they should take him or trade down with a team that wants him.

I like TJ and think he can be a solid starter, but Quinn is a franchise player on a team who have none. You know that a team is really lacking in any kind of star power when its a toss up between your LG and C for who is the "face" of the offense and its a DT thats the star of the defense. The Vikings are a team of no names and a couple of big names can turn around a team quickly(Bush, Young and Leinart last year for starters).

Quinn is the best player other than CJ in this draft, if he is available at 7 we should take him. TJ or not.
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You don't waste a top 10 pick at CB when you have one of the best tandem in the league and the Nickel is good enough
to start on 4 or 5 teams..
What nickelback would that be??
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You know that a team is really lacking in any kind of star power when its a toss up between your LG and C for who is the "face" of the offense
Not really a toss up its Matt birk lol
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Not really a toss up its Matt birk lol
Ya he's been here for years.
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Since Brad Johnson left Pat Williams has got to be the oldest guy on the roster. He has a year or two left in him. A DT would for sure see the feild.
Like I've said before...DT's to play backup aren't that hard to find and come relatively cheap. This "he has a year or 2 left" is nothing more than speculation...for all that's known he could be able to play 4 more years.
He's big and strong, not asked to rush the QB..just clog the middle. He has
more years than you think...and if he doesn't , we pick one up in F/A or later
in this years draft....there's no reason to believe that Okoye is SOOO much better than say a Marcus Thomas who'd make much more sense in the 3rd.
And would be more of a value pick. Okoye is young and could very well
be the next Warren Sapp...who knows? What I do know is he had 1 killer
season and 3 season where he wasn't a blip on the college football radar.
Quinn on the other hand ...well his resume speaks for itself over the past 2 years.
To bypass a guy who makes the team better instead of 1 position better to me just seems like a total waste.

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Winfeild is very good, but Griffin? He started in what 3 or 4 games? Can we go though a full season with him covering starting WR's before we dub them one of the best tandem of corners in the NFL?
Actually he started 7 including 6 in a row and beat out Fred Smoot...one of the more highly publicized CB's in the league. He did it with great hand strength , good positioning and fluid hip movments (not to get burned on the double and triple moves)...couple that with solid tackling and he's the absolute perfect Tampa 2 Corner...Winfield is the most undervalued CB in the league...there's more than homerism going on when I say that this tandem will be just behind the Bears in the NFC North.

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You can't possibly be refering to Devonte Edwards as being good enough to start elsewhere.
Absolutely. D.E. probably would've won the 2nd CB spot over Smoot
had Griffin been a bust anyways. Edwards is going to be the guy all year
long you say "this guy isn't that bad" ..as he makes 35 tackles and has
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Adding another unproven guy to the mix doesn't fix it. If anything they should bring in a vet as insurance.
Perhpas you haven't seen the asking price on the market for CB's.
When a Nate Clements brings home $80 million dollars worth of bacon, I have a feeling most teams will look to the draft to find the next superstar in the making....and at a fraction of the cost. The CB's are top 3 as far as depth and overall talent by position in the draft this year. WR's get the glory, but
the CB's will probably turn out to be the better of the 2 positions overall.

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You can rotate in defensive tackles, D-ends, running backs, WR's, FB's, CB's, o-linemen and safetys. Untill Childress makes a 2 QB set I dont see the point of another unproven QB. Two of them is enough is enough.
Agreed. That's the entire point of Taking a BQ.
He's proven more at ND than either Jackson or Bollinger, hell probably more than both of them multiplied together. You don't pass on a premier talent QB
to fill a void. You take the talent. Just ask the New Orleans Saints.
And Tennessee Titans. If Houston wasn't so arrogant and stupid they'd have
had either VY or Reggie Bush...now there's arguements as to whether both were deserving and did they really fill team needs....but honestly, who here thinks Houston made the right call on bypassing those 2 ???? Anyone here ?
I doubt it.
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They could draft a 3rd string QB late too. Makes more sence than drafting a 3rd string QB 7th overall. A DT would see the feild for sure.
They could take a 3rd string QB in F/A too....not sure what the point is. My point is ELITE talent at the QB spot. Not a position filler.
If BQ is gone or we don't select him ...I don't want another QB to be taken at all...it'd be cheaper to resign Drew Henson to the practice squad and we
could spend the draft bringing in TALENT...I'm not sure what you people read here but BRADY QUINN IS AN EXCEPTIONAL TALENT. That's why we'd take him at 7. not because Jackson is on "the hot seat" or "he's not a Childress guy"..it's because a Qb like BQ doesn't come around (especially to the Vikings) more than once every 10 years. The last one was Daunte. Should we really have taken Chris McCallister instead of Daunte because he filled a void at CB ?..and that we already had the league MVP in Cunningham coming back ? AND Jeff George behind him ? Seriously, according to all you Quinn haters it'd be the same thing as passing on Daunte for Troy Edwards or Kevin Johnson ...just riddiculous.

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A little birdy says that Brady Quinn and Kevin Curtis have the same agent. Maybe this is why the entire staff was at Quinns pro day, Kevin Curtis' agent was there and Kevin was Childress' "top priority". Made for a nice smoke screen too. Two birds one rock.
If that's the case then all that means is that Childress had an opportunity to talk to Curtis' agent again , at a place outside Winter Park,...I'd say that's an advantage..not really sure what you're getting at though.

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Last year nobody knew about Jackson's secret work out for team scouts before the draft. This whole thing is a huge charade. Childress loves to keep things out of the public eye. Practices are closed, he does not like answering questions from the media, and last year they were quoted saying that this time of year it best to keep things "under your vest". The plan is the same this year.
I don't think he's been leading any parades for any prospect either.
And who cares (other than the media) if practices are closed ??
Seriouslym who cares ? If Childress doesn't take Quinn then at the very least he's given other teams reason to rethink their strategies without making himself look foolish for saying that QB wasn't a position that could use improvement.
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To bypass a guy who makes the team better instead of 1 position better to me just seems like a total waste.
DT's make your LB's better. Okoye could help the seconday too. If they had a guy inside besides K Will that could rush the passer on third and long it would do a lot for the pass defense. James, K Will, Okoye, and Ray Edwards on the d-line passing downs. Not too shabby.

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Absolutely. D.E. probably would've won the 2nd CB spot over Smoot
had Griffin been a bust anyways. Edwards is going to be the guy all year
long you say "this guy isn't that bad" ..as he makes 35 tackles and has
3-5 INT's.
Smoot was garbage last year. They cut him. A lot of people could have beat him out.

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Agreed. That's the entire point of Taking a BQ.
He's proven more at ND than either Jackson or Bollinger, hell probably more than both of them multiplied together.
You are implanting an unknown quantity with two other unknown quantitys. Giving the team 3 unknown quantitys. Quinn has proven nothing at the NFL level.

It also gives the coaching staff less time to teach them all. They would have 3 QB's to develop. That's just ridiculous. Has any team ever in the history of the NFL taken QB's in back to back years so high in the draft?

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You don't pass on a premier talent QB to fill a void. You take the talent. Just ask the New Orleans Saints. And Tennessee Titans. If Houston wasn't so arrogant and stupid they'd have had either VY or Reggie Bush...now there's arguements as to whether both were deserving and did they really fill team needs....but honestly, who here thinks Houston made the right call on bypassing those 2 ???? Anyone here ?
I doubt it.
So in round one do the Titans draft a QB if he's the BPA? Do the Saints draft another RB if he's the BPA? Do the Cardnals take Quinn if he slips?

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The last one was Daunte. Should we really have taken Chris McCallister instead of Daunte because he filled a void at CB ?..and that we already had the league MVP in Cunningham coming back ? AND Jeff George behind him ? Seriously, according to all you Quinn haters it'd be the same thing as passing on Daunte for Troy Edwards or Kevin Johnson ...just riddiculous.
Cunningham was ancient and so was George. If we had Brad Johnson and Brian Greise as our QB's I'd be all for taking some youth. Even if we had old guys that were decent like Steve Mcnair and Jeff Garcia.

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I don't think he's been leading any parades for any prospect either.
Just about the entire staff was there. A lot of them weren't even needed. Even Ziggy was there. It was a parade. They might even have been throwing candy. The press was everywhere. They just wanted to make sure everyone knew they were there. If they wanted Quinn they would be sceduling workouts or interviews for some other guy and everyone and thier cousin would be at somebody elses pro day. Childress does not show any cards prior to draft day.

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If Childress doesn't take Quinn then at the very least he's given other teams reason to rethink their strategies without making himself look foolish for saying that QB wasn't a position that could use improvement.
It's for leverage in a trade. I think the goal this year is trade down.
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lol...that's funny.

BTW who is that soccer player in your sig ? that's not Freddie Adu is it ?
Nah, it's a player from my team Leon Cort. By the by, im completely with you on Cedric and Edwards.

Unfortunately (because I like TJ) im becoming more sold on taking BQ but not to the point where i'll make a definitive push towards stating whether I would take him or not. mmm, sitting on the fence is rubbish...
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So in round one do the Titans draft a QB if he's the BPA? Do the Saints draft another RB if he's the BPA? Do the Cardnals take Quinn if he slips?
We didnt draft Reggie Bush or Vince Young and we dont have Steve McNair or Deuce on our team at the moment. We have a young guy who looked no better than Brooks Bollinger did for the Jets as our starter. We have, at best, a project at QB, most likely we have a career backup who might put up some numbers on a bad team but wont ever win, at worst case, a guy who costs us an elite QB talent because we waste 3 years trying to justify reaching for him.

Its the most dangerous thing a team can do that old reaching. Once you reach you are then forced to try and prove the reach right, therefore passing up on options that arent reaches just to try and prove the pick right. There are very few reaches that are ever made that work out. Especially more recently when scouting has become a corporate event and is beyond serious.

We have a nice prospect at QB and a career 3rd stringer. If we have the option to pick a blue chipper we should pick him. We currently have Rex Grossman, why settle for that when Peyton Manning is available. Thats what this is at the moment. I dont have a problem with giving TJ time and the chance, but I also dont think it should come at the expense of the opportunity of taking Brady.

The only positive is that if we pass on Brady and stick with TJ and assuming we cant get CJ, we dont address the O-Line problems and we dont get ourselves a legit franchise back, we will look the same as the Raiders did this year and have a really good chance of a top pick next year so that we can argue whether or not we should take Brohm or Henne because 2 years ago we invested so much in TJ and he showed flashes.

Brady Quinn is the opportunity to refresh the franchise and start heading in a new direction, natural born leaders dont come along that often and Brady is one.

All that said, it doesnt matter who is playing QB because we dont have a RB, LT, RG, RT, WR, WR or TE worth mentioning and our FB is coming off major surgery. We look pretty good defensively but on paper we may have the worst offense in the league.
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DT's make your LB's better. Okoye could help the seconday too. If they had a guy inside besides K Will that could rush the passer on third and long it would do a lot for the pass defense. James, K Will, Okoye, and Ray Edwards on the d-line passing downs. Not too shabby.
I'm not saying DTs aren't valuable. My entire point is when you have 2 guys who play at a pro bowl level, it's not an area of concern.
PLUS the DT position this year is pretty deep...plus next years top tier DT's are even better than Okoye or Branch this year, hell Dorsey is probably the best DT prospect to play in college since Sapp was.
We could very well take a DT in rounds 2 or 3 or 4 that'd serve just as good a backup as Okoye or Branch. When there are other positions where the talent is better..you take the talent.

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Smoot was garbage last year. They cut him. A lot of people could have beat him out.
This sounds like spite, Smoot is a bad #2...he's probably a top tier nickel though.
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You are implanting an unknown quantity with two other unknown quantitys. Giving the team 3 unknown quantitys. Quinn has proven nothing at the NFL level.
By that rational we should never take a college QB then..we should always
take the "proven NFL" QB. C'mon man, even you can't buy into that.
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It also gives the coaching staff less time to teach them all. They would have 3 QB's to develop. That's just ridiculous. Has any team ever in the history of the NFL taken QB's in back to back years so high in the draft?
Taking talent never sets you back. If the current QB's don't "get it" meaning the system by now, it's never going to happen for them..it's over a year old to them. PLUS I keep telling everyone BQ wouldn't be the starter from day 1.
The starter this year (going into the year will be Bollinger or Jackson. That's a fact. If they falter, the season is a complete wash.
If you can throw a QB in who might be able to "right the ship" and send your franchise into that direction to the playoffs for the future...tell me how that isn't better ?
If Jackson or Bollinger takes this team to the S.B. what have we lost ?
We have much more to lose by not taking him than we have to gain by taking another position to "fill a need".

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So in round one do the Titans draft a QB if he's the BPA? Do the Saints draft another RB if he's the BPA? Do the Cardnals take Quinn if he slips?
Again, The Titans and Cardinals to premier QB's they didn't reach for a 4th or 5th round guy and make him their starter by default.
...and I hope you realize you are trying to compare Leinart and Young to Tarvaris Jackson.....come on now.

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Cunningham was ancient and so was George. If we had Brad Johnson and Brian Greise as our QB's I'd be all for taking some youth. Even if we had old guys that were decent like Steve Mcnair and Jeff Garcia.
Cunningham had just thrown for 4000 yards and won the league MVP.
I don't care how old the guy is , if they can do that , they can play.

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Just about the entire staff was there. A lot of them weren't even needed. Even Ziggy was there. It was a parade. They might even have been throwing candy. The press was everywhere. They just wanted to make sure everyone knew they were there. If they wanted Quinn they would be sceduling workouts or interviews for some other guy and everyone and thier cousin would be at somebody elses pro day. Childress does not show any cards prior to draft day.
Link please.
Everything I've read said Childress and perhaps Wilf were there...I've not seen where "everyone and their mother" from the Vikes were there.

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It's for leverage in a trade. I think the goal this year is trade down.
Speculation.

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We have a nice prospect at QB and a career 3rd stringer. If we have the option to pick a blue chipper we should pick him. We currently have Rex Grossman, why settle for that when Peyton Manning is available. Thats what this is at the moment. I dont have a problem with giving TJ time and the chance, but I also dont think it should come at the expense of the opportunity of taking Brady.
I dont like the comparison to rex grossman becuase right now i would take even T-Jack over grossman but the general idea behind the statement is right... anyways id agree if we got quinn that we still would give T-Jack the chance to prove all you doubters wrong but yet we would still have the Insurance policy in Quinn which would be nice

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All that said, it doesnt matter who is playing QB because we dont have a RB, LT, RG, RT, WR, WR or TE worth mentioning and our FB is coming off major surgery. We look pretty good defensively but on paper we may have the worst offense in the league.
Take RB, and LT off and its right i dont see where the anti-C. Taylor feelings come from he did VERY well last he was on a pace for 1500+ had he been healthy all year, this year if he cant stay healthy through this entire season than we have a need at RB and the next few years of Running backs are looking good anyways. LT Byrant McKennie had 1 down year(and it wasnt even much of a down year) so that all of the sudden make us not have a LT? thats just ludacris.
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I'm just curious as to why the Grossman comparisson is bad...just saying it's bad doesn't make it so...care to give a reason or 2 as to why they're not
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Agree with McKinney and Chester Taylor Chris, seems there's no love on here for either..and to me it's confussing..as they were both fairly productive (and McKinney's been very good for the last 3 years)
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McKinnie is a fringe Pro Bowler. I have no idea why Vikings fans hate on him. They rag on him because he might have 1 bad play in a game, and they use that to categorize a season's worth of performance. Childress and the coaching staff see him every day in practice, and McKinnie must be performing to warrant the contract extension he received.

Chester Taylor is a 2nd to 3rd tier RB.
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He recieved that extension in part because LT's in this league are such a rare commodity. When you have one that's good you don't let him walk...boat party or no boat party.

(for those keeping score at home the other 3 from the now infamous "love boat" have all been shown the door. Culpepper / Smoot / Moe Williams)
Hardly the concensus thought after it happend and there was "no way" we'd let Culpepper and Smoot leave.
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Culpepper leaving had nothing to do with the boat party. His charges were dropped, whereas the other three plead guilty.

Daunte left because of his injury and because he butted heads with Childress.

Smoot leaving had nothing to do with the boat party either. He got outplayed by a rookie, lost his job, didn't want to be a nickel back, and was getting paid too much to be a nickel back.
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I'm just curious as to why the Grossman comparisson is bad...just saying it's bad doesn't make it so...care to give a reason or 2 as to why they're not
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I really dont know how a Injury prone, Extremely inconsistent, overly Cocky quaterback can be compared to a kid who has had a couple of starts in the NFL whether they are bad or not
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I'm just curious as to why the Grossman comparisson is bad...just saying it's bad doesn't make it so...care to give a reason or 2 as to why they're not
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Agree with McKinney and Chester Taylor Chris, seems there's no love on here for either..and to me it's confussing..as they were both fairly productive (and McKinney's been very good for the last 3 years)
The Grossman comparison was more a superbowl reference than an actual comparison. Both do have strong arms though and TJ did look just about as lost for the most part but other than that, they really dont compare, as I said, superbowl comparison.

I dont mind Taylor or McKinney. I would love to see us get a legit LT and move McKinney to RT, I haven't watched a lot prior to this year and he looked fairly lost at times(so did everyone which is on Childress to me) but he isnt bad, certainly is only the 3rd biggest worry on the O-Line behind a non-existent right side. Taylor is a solid back, but thats it. He is not a franchise back and I would prefer him as the 2nd back. Basically my problem with him is that at the moment he is on a team thats coach thinks he is franchise back and thats a problem. If Childress is going to continue with the whole pound the crap out of the ball and completely ignore WR and TE as options on offense than we need a franchise back, which Chester isnt.

If we however were to pick up a very good QB(Brady for instance) and add a receiving option or 3 then Chester is a fine solution. Basically if Childress changes his philosophy on offense than Chester is fine. If he is going to persist with what he showed last year than Chester wont do. What I say about the RB need is more to do with that than Chester, we either add WRs and a QB and have the coach look to pass or we need a franchise level back. Peterson if available would be option 2. Trading up for CJ or taking Quinn would be more along the lines of option 1.
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Culpepper leaving had nothing to do with the boat party. His charges were dropped, whereas the other three plead guilty.

Daunte left because of his injury and because he butted heads with Childress.

Smoot leaving had nothing to do with the boat party either. He got outplayed by a rookie, lost his job, didn't want to be a nickel back, and was getting paid too much to be a nickel back.
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yeah, you're right...he's cut he won't be back...err, umm
http://www.kffl.com/player/1278/nfl

If I were a betting man, I'd put 20 on him coming back.
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I will bet you $20 Kolodziej won't be on the roster next year.
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I'd take that bet, but you wouldn't be the first internet tough guy to welch on a bet with me...plus there'd be almost no way to collect my money when he resigns.
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I will gladly bet anything that Ross Kolod%&$#zjzjziej will not be on the roster next year.

Why would we cut him then? Defensive Tackle depth was already a problem.

He was making the league minimum. If we re-signed him in the new market, he would probably end up with a higher salary then if we didn't cut him in the first place. Why would we cut him and then bring him back at a higher salary?

Find me one reason for cutting him and then re-signing him.


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