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Old 05-12-2012, 12:01 AM    (permalink
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Forgive me if this topic has been made before but I thought it would be interesting to see which teams you all thought would hold the top five picks in next year's draft; who have you got picking in the first five slots? I'm thinking something along these lines:

Cleveland Browns

Tough division, one of the most brutal strength-of-schedules, and a rookie quarterback who didn't appear NFL-ready in college.

Minnesota Vikings

Many of Minnesota's best offensive players have been unable to stay healthy and they will have a hard time winning any of the games within their division.

Jacksonville Jaguars

Mike Mularkey and Justin Blackmon may be able to improve Blaine Gabbert's play but there's still a lot of work to be done with the Jaguars.

Indianapolis Colts

Andrew Luck will certainly help but the Colts have are in too much flux to contend immediately; Peyton Manning went 3-13 as a rookie.

Arizona Cardinals

Arizona had a pretty strong draft but unless Kevin Kolb improves substantially they will have have one of the league's weakest starting QBs.
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Forgive me if this topic has been made before but I thought it would be interesting to see which teams you all thought would hold the top five picks in next year's draft; who have you got picking in the first five slots? I'm thinking something along these lines:

Cleveland Browns

Tough division, one of the most brutal strength-of-schedules, and a rookie quarterback who didn't appear NFL-ready in college.

Minnesota Vikings

Many of Minnesota's best offensive players have been unable to stay healthy and they will have a hard time winning any of the games within their division.

Jacksonville Jaguars

Mike Mularkey and Justin Blackmon may be able to improve Blaine Gabbert's play but there's still a lot of work to be done with the Jaguars.

Indianapolis Colts

Andrew Luck will certainly help but the Colts have are in too much flux to contend immediately; Peyton Manning went 3-13 as a rookie.

Arizona Cardinals

Arizona had a pretty strong draft but unless Kevin Kolb improves substantially they will have have one of the league's weakest starting QBs.
I agree with the first 4 but I doubt Ariz rates there. They won 7 of their last 9 games and seemed to be coming together with a great defense at least.

I'd add Miami for sure and maybe Oakland.
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Not in order

Dolphins
Redskins (Rams)
Colts
Rams
Jaguars

-Not a fan of Bradford. Stephen Jackson is going to break down very soon. What if the Rams end up with two top 5 picks? Barkley/Woods to STL?


-Probably sleeping on the Redskins. I think Luck and Griffin will show flashes but their teams are in for a long year.
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I think the Colts offense carries them to 7 or 8 wins alone. Their front 7 isn't too bad but their secondary sucks so I see a lot of shootouts.



Arizona should be pretty decent as well I do like Kevin Kolb.
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I think the Colts offense carries them to 7 or 8 wins alone. Their front 7 isn't too bad but their secondary sucks so I see a lot of shootouts.

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I was shocked the Colts kept Reggie Wayne around but I don't think the offense will be as good as you say. Weak offensive line, rookie QB and two rookie TEs, with a below average running game. Maybe I'm underrating Andrew Luck but I just don't see it.
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Without looking at schedules I'd say the Miami Dolphins, Cleveland Browns, Oakland Raiders and St. Louis Rams are the four worst teams in the league. The cupboards are pretty bare there IMO.

And usually teams that draft #1 weren't awful the year before. Of the past ten teams that were slotted at #1, only one had a top 5 pick the year before (Rams) and only three others were top 10 (Bengals [10th], Dolphins [9th], Raiders [7th]). The past ten teams that picked #1 were, on average, drafting at the 12th spot the year prior.

Underdog team to pick #1, the Arizona Cardinals.
-I go back and forth with the Cardinals. One day I think they'll be fine and finish similarly to last year and the next I think they're going to be awful. I can't make up my mind. Their QB situation is average at best. They've got no semblance of a running game (Wells is always banged up, Williams is coming off an ACL injury). Their offensive line is horrendous. They won a lot of close games last year and that typically doesn't carry over year to year. The defense is pretty thin and who is going to play across from Peterson? Toler?
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I was shocked the Colts kept Reggie Wayne around but I don't think the offense will be as good as you say. Weak offensive line, rookie QB and two rookie TEs, with a below average running game. Maybe I'm underrating Andrew Luck but I just don't see it.
One thing I don't get when people criticize the Colts is why they say their offensive line is weak. I mean they were blocking for Curtis Painter who was just horrendous. Andrew Luck most assuredly has better command of the pocket than Painter. Second, I don't think a line of Castonzo (LT) - McGlynn (LG) - Satele (C) - Ijalana (RG) - Justice (RT) is that bad, there are worse lines in the NFL.
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Jacksonville- still a lot of work to do, Blackmon helps but they're still in flux.

Miami- not sold on Tannehill, or Moore, or Garrard coming back from a year off. They also have no real receiving threats that will keep opposing DC's up at night.

Cleveland- still no real receiving threat and a rookie QB starting in a division with the Ravens & Steelers defenses.

San Diego- just kinda feel like they've let too much talent leave the past few years. (not sure I really believe this but didn't want to just list the same teams everyone else was)

Minnesota- Ponder still developing, AP health questions, no scary threat in the passing game other than Harvin who himself is a health question...

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Forgive me if this topic has been made before but I thought it would be interesting to see which teams you all thought would hold the top five picks in next year's draft; who have you got picking in the first five slots? I'm thinking something along these lines:

Cleveland Browns

Tough division, one of the most brutal strength-of-schedules, and a rookie quarterback who didn't appear NFL-ready in college.

Minnesota Vikings

Many of Minnesota's best offensive players have been unable to stay healthy and they will have a hard time winning any of the games within their division.

Jacksonville Jaguars

Mike Mularkey and Justin Blackmon may be able to improve Blaine Gabbert's play but there's still a lot of work to be done with the Jaguars.

Indianapolis Colts

Andrew Luck will certainly help but the Colts have are in too much flux to contend immediately; Peyton Manning went 3-13 as a rookie.

Arizona Cardinals

Arizona had a pretty strong draft but unless Kevin Kolb improves substantially they will have have one of the league's weakest starting QBs.
Jags Indi and Arizona are all in tough positions, but they don't exactly play in tough divisions. In fact, the Cards have the possibility of winning a weak NFC West.

Cleveland might be a bit improved but probably finishes last in the division and without many wins.

Minnesota plays in arguably the toughest division of the group and likely won't make any progress with Peterson going down. While Kalil will be a valuable piece for the future, I don't think their offense will be much improved because of him.

End of the day I think we see Minnesota and Cleveland in the top 2 but if I had to choose I'd say Minnesota.
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I'm going to go with...

Colts
Browns
Jacksonville
Vikings
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If the Cardinals have the #1 pick I will leave the board until draft day, JBond can do the honors

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Jaguars no doubt about it

EDIT: Didn't fully read thought it was just pick #1.
Here are my 5:
1. Jaguars
2. Browns
3. Raiders
4. Colts
5. Seahawks
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That's a good list except possibly for Arizona. Their division is still pretty weak (improving) so who knows. Miami probably won't be top 5, but probably top 10. I think they are building toward 2014. The Jets could surprise and pick higher than people expect as well. The AFC East is very tough and Buffalo may be the 2nd best team in that division. Oakland could pick top 5 as well. The Raiders are always hard to predict.
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Some of you are bonkers.

Oakland will probably be in the top 10-15 for sure. But we're not bad enough to be top 5.
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1. Jacksonville Jaguars
2. Cleveland Browns
3. Indianapolis Colts
4. Minnesota Vikings
5. Miami Dolphins
6. Seattle Seahawks
7. Washington Redskins (St. Louis Rams)
8. Oakland Raiders
9. St. Louis Rams
10. Tampa Bay Bucs or Carolina Panthers

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Very puzzling to see Oakland get so many mentions. Al Davis' death is good for at least and extra 2 wins alone.

Palmer is an up and down QB, no doubt. But he has some really nice ups, and a great rapport with a very good deep threat in Denarius Moore. Not to mention some decent complimentary receivers, including some very strong receiving backs.

McFadden's durability is the team's biggest question mark, with the CB position a close second. But a top 5 pick? That's really absurd.


Same for the Cardinals. Their offense will score points, and their division as a whole isn't scaring anyone. John Skelton could easily supplant Kevin Kolb and see this team Gump their way into a .500 season.
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Jaguars make sense. Their QB situation is abysmal.

The Colts could very well fight their way out of the top 5, but it will be a struggle. Outside of their two edge rushers, their front 7 is in pretty bad shape.

The Browns are a contender.

The Jets meltdown could very easily reach completion this year. That locker room is a mess, and the Tebow circus was the last thing they needed.

Seattle wouldn't be a huge surprise.
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What if the Browns get the Pick? Do they get rid of Weeden? I would say so because Barkley/Bray/Thomas are all better than Weeden and I think the Fans would be really mad if they passed on a Matt Barkley who might be the Heisman Winner and a National Champion just to build around a 30 Year Old Second Year QB.
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You can't just keep drafting QBs in the 1st round year after year. The Browns certainly would not draft another QB. That would be even more comical than taking Weeden in the 1st this year.
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I hate how no team can deal with people saying their team will suck. Just cause you are a fan doesn't mean they will be good.
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Very puzzling to see Oakland get so many mentions. Al Davis' death is good for at least and extra 2 wins alone.

Palmer is an up and down QB, no doubt. But he has some really nice ups, and a great rapport with a very good deep threat in Denarius Moore. Not to mention some decent complimentary receivers, including some very strong receiving backs.

McFadden's durability is the team's biggest question mark, with the CB position a close second. But a top 5 pick? That's really absurd.


Same for the Cardinals. Their offense will score points, and their division as a whole isn't scaring anyone. John Skelton could easily supplant Kevin Kolb and see this team Gump their way into a .500 season.


See, I don't agree that Davis' death helps you this year. Reggie inherited a team that was over the cap and had traded its first four draft picks. The new regime really needs next offseason before it pays dividends.



I see the Raiders winning 4 or 5 this year but the future is definitely bright. As a Broncos fan it pains me to say that.
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You can't just keep drafting QBs in the 1st round year after year. The Browns certainly would not draft another QB. That would be even more comical than taking Weeden in the 1st this year.
If the Browns have the number one pick the entire regime will be fired.


The new GM and head coach are going to want their guy at QB.
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If the Browns have the number one pick the entire regime will be fired.
and Browns fans will celebrate.

I think.
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Personally, I don't think the Browns will be that bad. Jags seem to have a leg up on the top pick, but I think the Vikes won't make the top 5.
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I hate how no team can deal with people saying their team will suck. Just cause you are a fan doesn't mean they will be good.
Kinda like having some dude on the internet assume he knows anything about a team he doesn't follow.

Maybe if some logic were applied to the opinion...
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God damn it.

No offense, but your Raiders draft sucks.

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