2014 Falcons Draft Discussion - Page 2

BamaFalcon59 · 05-13-2012, 09:46 PM

Bleacher report?

dunagan15 · 05-13-2012, 09:48 PM

This list seems so random how is Chung that low? And how the **** do you put Weedle ahead of Reed, thats just nonsense

BamaFalcon59 · 05-13-2012, 09:50 PM

Yeah, that list doesn't do much for the argument either way.

Although, around 20 is where I would guess I would have DeCoud. Obviously, don't have enough info on most teams' FSs.

Bulldogs · 05-13-2012, 09:56 PM

I'd probably put him in the 15-20 range.

scar988 · 05-14-2012, 08:46 AM

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Bleacher report?

I don't get how people still disrespect us at B/r. We actually care now. Because of Matt Miller, I've joined them. As crazy as it sounds, it's a great organization and is the 4th largest sports publication right now.

BamaFalcon59 · 05-14-2012, 11:54 AM

I don't know if I respect BR at all, but your own Matt Miller has DeCoud as 20th in the NFL at the position.

scar988 · 05-14-2012, 01:59 PM

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I don't know if I respect BR at all, but your own Matt Miller has DeCoud as 20th in the NFL at the position.

That's because it was bad before about 2 years ago... however, if you check the Falcons page over there, I've been writing some good, informed stuff.

And I'm objective on Decoud. is he the best S in the NFL? no. But everyone here is treating him like he needs to be benched and is a bottom 5 S in the NFL.

ATLDirtyBirds · 05-14-2012, 02:12 PM

I think people want him benched because he isn't particularly good. The absolute dearth of talent at the S position needs to be noted if we're talking overall rankings though. I guess I fall somewhere in between in this debate.

scar988 · 05-14-2012, 02:34 PM

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I think people want him benched because he isn't particularly good. The absolute dearth of talent at the S position needs to be noted if we're talking overall rankings though. I guess I fall somewhere in between in this debate.

they want him benched because they don't see all that he does. He's a lot liek Ryan Clark in that he gets everyone else in perfect position before a play but may not be in perfect position himself. Something Tim Lewis has noticed and is working with him this season.

ATLDirtyBirds · 05-14-2012, 02:35 PM

Maybe he can also work on not taking atrocious angles.

scar988 · 05-14-2012, 02:49 PM

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Maybe he can also work on not taking atrocious angles.

The scheme will help him a lot with that. they won't have him covering those weird mid-tier zones in Nolan's scheme. Nolan uses his safeties very vertically in the formations. Deep drops. zones in front of them blitzes. that's pretty much it.

ATLDirtyBirds · 05-14-2012, 03:01 PM

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The scheme will help him a lot with that. they won't have him covering those weird mid-tier zones in Nolan's scheme. Nolan uses his safeties very vertically in the formations. Deep drops. zones in front of them blitzes. that's pretty much it.

Definitely a much better fit for DeCoud.

scar988 · 05-14-2012, 03:09 PM

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Definitely a much better fit for DeCoud.

lol, I didn't mean line up vertically. I was talking how they were actually used. of Decoud's 4 picks last year 3 of them were deep center half or deep center 1/3 coverages that Nolans likes using his FS in.

georgiafan · 05-14-2012, 03:21 PM

I think TE has to be the #1 need bc Tony will prob be retired and there is no depth behind him.

ATLDirtyBirds · 05-14-2012, 05:08 PM

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lol, I didn't mean line up vertically. I was talking how they were actually used. of Decoud's 4 picks last year 3 of them were deep center half or deep center 1/3 coverages that Nolans likes using his FS in.

I knew what you meant; I was agreeing that's he's a better fit in the more "center field" role he should be in.

scar988 · 05-14-2012, 05:35 PM

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I knew what you meant; I was agreeing that's he's a better fit in the more "center field" role he should be in.

yeah, it's what he played in 2009 and no one was calling for his head. If he was in that role instead of the weird zones that BVG ran, he would be better.

ATLDirtyBirds · 05-14-2012, 05:37 PM

Ah 2009. The way we felt about William Moore then, we feel about DeCoud now and vice versa.

scar988 · 05-14-2012, 05:39 PM

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Ah 2009. The way we felt about William Moore then, we feel about DeCoud now and vice versa.

exactly. Although, I think both players will be amazing this year in the new scheme.

BamaFalcon59 · 05-15-2012, 11:23 AM

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Maybe he can also work on not taking atrocious angles.

Yeah, I don't see the Ryan Clark comparison. Clark is a hammer against the run and DeCoud's strength is definitely not the run game, IMO.

scar988 · 05-15-2012, 11:58 AM

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Yeah, I don't see the Ryan Clark comparison. Clark is a hammer against the run and DeCoud's strength is definitely not the run game, IMO.

Decoud is one of the better run defenders out there. He misses tackles here and there sure, but countless times have we seen him stuff someone behind the line.

BamaFalcon59 · 05-15-2012, 02:32 PM

He's aggressive and does do well for a safety behind the line. But he misses too many tackles with bad angles.

scar988 · 05-15-2012, 06:03 PM

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He's aggressive and does do well for a safety behind the line. But he misses too many tackles with bad angles.

There's probably 5-6 a year he missed due to a bad angle. he's gonna miss 8-10 total a year... but the average safety will miss 15-17 tackles a year. So he's still better than average... but now he will at least be a better fit for the scheme.

Bosanac01 · 05-15-2012, 11:10 PM

I like DeCoud in the run game. He is not afraid of anything and really gives up his body all the time to make the play. The problem I have with him is in the passing game, we need our FS to be around the ball all the time.

scar988 · 05-15-2012, 11:42 PM

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I like DeCoud in the run game. He is not afraid of anything and really gives up his body all the time to make the play. The problem I have with him is in the passing game, we need our FS to be around the ball all the time.

and by playing him in zones that he is actually good at covering as opposed to the weird ones BVG made him cover, he will be better.

Bosanac01 · 05-15-2012, 11:47 PM

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and by playing him in zones that he is actually good at covering as opposed to the weird ones BVG made him cover, he will be better.

I'm not sold on that, I will have to see it for myself, but I am a fan of Decoud and hope he plays better and sticks at FS for us. He is 27 years old and we have him cheaply for the next 5 seasons. Those are his best year, hope for the best.