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Old 05-23-2012, 01:39 PM    (permalink) 
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Looking at the Predict Top 5 in 2013 Draft, I went back to the history, and there seems to be a correlation between the team and their leading passer:

2012: Indianapolis Colts - Curtis Painter

2011: Carolina Panthers - Jimmy Clausen

2010: St. Louis Rams - Marc Bulger

2009: Detroit Lions - Dan Orlovsky

2008: Miami Dolphins - Cleo Lemon

2007: Oakland Raiders - Andrew Walter

2006: Houston Texans - David Carr

2005: San Francisco 49ers - Tim Rattay


Obviously QB play just keeps being more and more important, but perhaps the way to "predict" the Top 5 next year is to investigate:

1. Who has the worst starting QBs in the NFL

2. Who has the worst BACK-UP. We saw this last year with the Peyton injury, and if a starter goes down, which teams are in danger of tanking?
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Cleveland, Oakland, Jacksonville, Arizona, and Seattle would be the 5 teams based on this premise with Jacksonville being the runaway front runner for the 1st pick in the draft.
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I'd rank them in terms of awfulness:

1. Cleveland- Brandon Weeden-Colt McCoy-Seneca Wallace

2. Jacksonville- Blaine Gabbert-Chad Henne-Jordan Palmer

3. Arizona Cardinals- Kevin Kolb-John Skelton-Richard Bartel
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Kansas City has Matt Cassel, Brady Quinn, Ricky Stanzi.

That is a pretty awful group of QBs.
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They would have been next on my list
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I didn't want Weeden but he's got to be better than Blaine Gabbert. I'd put Cleveland third behind the Jags and Cardinals, with the Chiefs hitting somewhere in the top 5.
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Rank The starters My opinion most are close and in the same tier

32. Jags - Gabbert
31. Browns - Weeden
30. Phins - Tannehill? Moore?
29. Jets - Sanchez/Tebow
28. Raiders - Palmer
27. Cardinals - Skelton/Kolb
26. Seattle Seahawks - Flynn
25. Kansas City - Cassel
24. Min - Ponder
23. TB - Josh Freeman
22. SF - Alex Smith
21. StL - Sam Bradford
20. Cin - Andy Dalton
19. Buf - Ryan Fitzpatrick
18. Was - Robert Griffin
17. Ind - Andrew Luck
16. Ten - Hasselbeck / Locker
15. Bal - Joe Flacco
14. Chi - Jay Cutler
13. Dal - Tony Romo
12. ATL - Matt Ryan
11. S.D. - Philip Rivers
10. Houston - Schaub
9. Philly - Vick
8. Carolina - Cam
7. Detroit - Stafford
6. NYG - Manning
5. Pittsburgh - Ben
4. Denver - Manning
3. Green Bay - Rogers
2. New Orleans - Brees
1. New Englad - Brady
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For me the worst starting qbs right now would probably be:

Gabbert
Kolb
Weeden (most unknown)
Ponder
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Rank the Backups at least thus far


17. SD - Touchdown Jesus
16. SF - Colin Kaepernick
15. Sea - Jackson/Wilson
14. Jets - Tim Tebow
13. Ind - Drew Stanton
12. Detroit - Shaun Hill
11. Min - Joe Webb
10. Buffalo - Vince Young
9. Houston - TJ Yates
8. Redskins - Rex Grossman/Cousins
7. Browns - McCoy
6. Cards - Skelton/Kolb
5. Miami - Matt Moore
5. Cowboys -Kyle Orton
4. Bears - Jason Campbell
3. Jags - Chad Henne
2. New Englad - Mallett / Hoyer
1. Titans - Hasselbeck/ Locker
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OK then...

1. Chiefs - Cassel - Quinn - Stanzi
2. Browns - McCoy - Weeden* - Wallace
3. Vikings - Ponder* - Webb - Rosenfels
4. Dolphins - Moore - Garrard - Tannehill*
5. Seahawks - Flynn - Wilson - Jackson
6. Jaguars - Gabbert - Henne - Palmer
7. Raiders - Palmer - Leinart - Pryor

One away...

1. Chargers - Rivers - Whitehurst
2. Rams - Bradford - Clemens - Brandstater
3. Steelers - Roeth - Batch - Leftwich
4. Eagles - Vick - Kafka - Edwards - Foles
5. Bengals - Dalton* - Gradkowski - Robinson
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I think Seattle probably has the best backup QB situation in the NFL right now - it's the starting situation where the bar's set pretty low.
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I think Seattle probably has the best backup QB situation in the NFL right now - it's the starting situation where the bar's set pretty low.
I think Cleveland is in the same situation. They have one of the better backups (and even 3rd QB in Wallace), but the starter is obviously pretty bad.
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If Rivers goes down for the season, SD will enjoy that #1 pick.
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Whithurst is not that bad. If Rodgers goes down early the Pack might just get #1 overall though
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Whithurst is not that bad. If Rodgers goes down early the Pack might just get #1 overall though
Thankfully it means you didn't watch Browns-Seahawks last year. (Not that I am suggesting you should, its one of the worst Quartbacked games ever).
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Jacksonville has the worst QB. Have you seen Gabbert? I mean, if that isn't blatantly obvious, I doubt you've seen Gabbert.

Seattle, Minnesota, Oakland, Cleveland, KC, and Arizona could all see major improvements by drafting a real QB. Cincinnati too.

Sam Bradford may be the biggest name on the hot seat this year. If he doesn't perform, he could be out of a job, too.

edit: If Rodgers goes down, the Pack will still be way better than a lot of teams. No chance of the #1 overall pick.
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17. SD - Touchdown Jesus
16. SF - Colin Kaepernick
15. Sea - Jackson/Wilson
14. Jets - Tim Tebow
13. Ind - Drew Stanton
12. Detroit - Shaun Hill
11. Min - Joe Webb
10. Buffalo - Vince Young
9. Houston - TJ Yates
8. Redskins - Rex Grossman/Cousins
7. Browns - McCoy
6. Cards - Skelton/Kolb
5. Miami - Matt Moore
5. Cowboys -Kyle Orton
4. Bears - Jason Campbell
3. Jags - Chad Henne
2. New Englad - Mallett / Hoyer
1. Titans - Hasselbeck/ Locker
Shaun Hill is way too low, and Matt Moore should be number 2 at worst after his season last year.
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Well the Dolphins have a rookie starting in Tannehill and two mediocre at best veteran QB's in Moore and Garrard... so they have a really questionable situation.
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Rank The starters My opinion most are close and in the same tier

32. Jags - Gabbert
31. Browns - Weeden
30. Phins - Tannehill? Moore?
29. Jets - Sanchez/Tebow
28. Raiders - Palmer
27. Cardinals - Skelton/Kolb
26. Seattle Seahawks - Flynn
25. Kansas City - Cassel
24. Min - Ponder
23. TB - Josh Freeman
22. SF - Alex Smith
21. StL - Sam Bradford
20. Cin - Andy Dalton
19. Buf - Ryan Fitzpatrick
18. Was - Robert Griffin
17. Ind - Andrew Luck
16. Ten - Hasselbeck / Locker
15. Bal - Joe Flacco
14. Chi - Jay Cutler
13. Dal - Tony Romo
12. ATL - Matt Ryan
11. S.D. - Philip Rivers
10. Houston - Schaub
9. Philly - Vick
8. Carolina - Cam
7. Detroit - Stafford
6. NYG - Manning
5. Pittsburgh - Ben
4. Denver - Manning
3. Green Bay - Rogers
2. New Orleans - Brees
1. New Englad - Brady
Are you kidding me? I'd take Palmer over Skelton, Kolb, Flynn, Ponder, Freeman, and Bradford any day.
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Are you kidding me? I'd take Palmer over Skelton, Kolb, Flynn, Ponder, Freeman, and Bradford any day.
No way. Palmer is awful. His arm is shot.

I'd take Ponder, Flynn, Freeman, Bradford over him easily, I wouldn't even think twice about it.

Skelton and Kolb? I'd have to think about it. Palmer really is an awful qb.
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Well the Dolphins have a rookie starting in Tannehill and two mediocre at best veteran QB's in Moore and Garrard... so they have a really questionable situation.
I'd have thought that was Moore's starter gig to lose.

Minny are certainly up there, the positive we have is that Ponder did flash some potential last year so could move out of the bottom 5 or so teams, probably wont hurt to have a decent LT for the first time in this millennium.
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