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Old 04-13-2007, 05:27 PM    (permalink
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How does using the ZBS make him a slimeball?
Are you joking? I'm not going to get into the whole debate, but the entire system is predicated on cutting out the knees of guys who are busy with somebody else. It's basically the football equivalent of the sucker punch.

Sure it's effective, and sure it's legal, but that doesn't make it clean. I've watched too many donkos put dirty hits on other teams for too many years to blindly think Shanahan isn't encouraging that ****.
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Sounds like sour grapes from a fan of a division rival.
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Can't wait to see our ZBS in action, I hope it works out :)
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Old 04-13-2007, 05:37 PM    (permalink
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Sounds like sour grapes from a fan of a division rival.
Oh I'm not denying it; however, there's a difference between sour grapes and just getting sick of watching players go down playing these guys. Jamal Williams, Drew Brees, Igor Olshansky, have all been victimized by pretty ugly shots by the Broncos, and that's just the last couple of years.
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Can't wait to see our ZBS in action, I hope it works out :)
The scheme is proliferating across the league. Maybe if most of the NFL is using it, these people will stop bitching about it.
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Old 04-13-2007, 05:41 PM    (permalink
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he complaining cuz he's a chargers fan. i called shanahan a slimeball because he knew wilson was damaged, denied it, yet still tried to trade him. i have no problem with ZBS thats just inner-division hate
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Old 04-13-2007, 05:45 PM    (permalink
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Oh I'm not denying it; however, there's a difference between sour grapes and just getting sick of watching players go down playing these guys. Jamal Williams, Drew Brees, Igor Olshansky, have all been victimized by pretty ugly shots by the Broncos, and that's just the last couple of years.

The olshansky hit had absolutley nothing to do with the ZBS, that was just a plain cheap shot. The ZBS as a system is not dirty, its designed to utilize double teams and speed of o-lineman to increase their effectiveness. The lineman that the broncos use have been dubbed as "dirty players", which may make shannahan the slimeball u call him, but not the system itself.
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Old 04-13-2007, 05:46 PM    (permalink
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The scheme is proliferating across the league. Maybe if most of the NFL is using it, these people will stop bitching about it.
These people? Come on man, condescension doesn't look good on anyone. And the flip side of your argument is that when injuries start rising concurrently with the proliferation of the scheme, maybe the league will start doing something about it.
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surpised about it but very happy that hes out of the afc west for now
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surpised about it but very happy that hes out of the afc west for now
well he may be out of football for a while if his neck doesnt heal quick
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Are you joking? I'm not going to get into the whole debate, but the entire system is predicated on cutting out the knees of guys who are busy with somebody else. It's basically the football equivalent of the sucker punch.

Sure it's effective, and sure it's legal, but that doesn't make it clean. I've watched too many donkos put dirty hits on other teams for too many years to blindly think Shanahan isn't encouraging that ****.
You really shouldn't talk about things you don't know. Cutting someone while they are engaged with another player is illegal, and that isn't what the ZBS does. They just chop the backside DL to stop pursuit, which is perfectly legal and no more dangerous than normal blocking.
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I think Al Wilson is top notch player and a class act. I'm also very glad that we don't have to play him twice a year anymore. GL to Al and hopefully his neck gets better soon.
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You really shouldn't talk about things you don't know. Cutting someone while they are engaged with another player is illegal, and that isn't what the ZBS does. They just chop the backside DL to stop pursuit, which is perfectly legal and no more dangerous than normal blocking.
How dare you point out that he doesn't actually know what he's talking about! He's a fan of a divisional rival! All that "fact" and "reality" BS gets left at the door, and you know that.
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Im sure Detroit is going to go after him hard.
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So is he able to play next year or not? That is all I want to know. If so I hope the Bills pick him up bad.
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Can't wait to see our ZBS in action, I hope it works out :)
Imagining Lynch in a ZBS is quite scary.
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Yeah Im expecting the Lions to jump all over him
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How dare you point out that he doesn't actually know what he's talking about! He's a fan of a divisional rival! All that "fact" and "reality" BS gets left at the door, and you know that.
Wow, a mod? Whatever, I've seen too many ridiculously cheap moves along that bronco O-line to doubt what I'm saying.

I just decided I'm not dorky enough to be arguing with people who think they're witty on a message board. It's football, people!
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i say the ravens should go after him , may shock some people but i think bart can move to outside

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he complaining cuz he's a chargers fan. i called shanahan a slimeball because he knew wilson was damaged, denied it, yet still tried to trade him. i have no problem with ZBS thats just inner-division hate
All you have to do is watch Al Wilson's press conference. He has no problem with the way Shanny handled things and is still a big fan of the organization and knows THIS IS A BUSINESS.
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He's a very good ILB, I was kinda suprised that he was released.
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Well, when my Giants said Al Wilson failed his physical, I knew something was fishy. I thought maybe the Giants were just stupid, or they didnt like the trade enough and backed out. But, now I see they did the right thing.

Shannahan was trying to trade damaged goods to the Giants for a DE like Justin Tuck or a 3rd round pick.

Smart, but at the same time unethical
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