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Old 06-19-2012, 06:56 PM    (permalink
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Apparently the Wild are prepared to offer Parise a 13 year contract
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I'm not huge into hockey, how well do these crazy long contracts work out normally? That would take him to age 41, a lot of that contract being after his prime. Not that I don't want him of course, just wondering.
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Frontloaded and they are buying the last remaining years of his contract when they don't want him anymore
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Yeah, I think they work it out so the salary declines as the contract goes on. Plus the NHL salary cap should continue to go up.
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They usually work out if the player is elite or close to it. If it's Rick DiPietro, then you're ******.
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I'm not huge into hockey, how well do these crazy long contracts work out normally? That would take him to age 41, a lot of that contract being after his prime. Not that I don't want him of course, just wondering.
Depends on the team.

If you're Philly, you just trade them away not long into it.

If you're the Islanders, you just ****** yourself for at least a decade.

If you're Detroit, you just hope their ankles hold up for at least half of it. It also helps you to manage your cap to a point where more lifetime contracts (see: this offseason's rumors) are possible.

Chicago ended up winning the Cup the year after huge deals for Hossa (FA) and Keith (homegrown) and they're just now exiting the grace period, so who cares!

Washington still has two of the most talented players in the world under contract for a decade, but who really knows how that's going to work out.

Those are all teams that have gone the 10+ year route on multiple occasions. The Devils and Canucks have both made the Finals since signing Kovalchuk and Luongo, respectively, but Luongo's situation has clearly deteriorated. Lecavalier hasn't had more than 30 goals or 70 points in a year since his 11-year contract, suffering a number of nagging injuries over that time. Buffalo probably isn't sure why Christian Ehrhoff is here for ten years.

There are no guarantees, really. Depth is ultimately most important. Using a long contract helped get Hossa within the cap for a deep Blackhawks team when they won. I suppose that has been the most successful instance, to this point (not counting the Kings trading for Carter/Richards and their contracts), and even now Hossa has a concussion history entering his mid-30s with 9 years left on his deal.

I personally think Boston was the best built team I have seen in a long time when they won the Cup. They never really employed the lifetime contract, though they did sign both Savard and Chara into their 40s.

There is no easy answer to this one. But it's probably best to not give them to less-than-top quality players like DiPeitro, Ehrhoff, and Franzen.
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Franzen's isn't overly regrettable. It's a long deal, but he's only making $4 million per year. Most guys on these decade deals are making 1-2 million more than that.
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Franzen's isn't overly regrettable. It's a long deal, but he's only making $4 million per year. Most guys on these decade deals are making 1-2 million more than that.
I feel the same way about Ehrhoff. He has a hit of 4 mil and was by far our best defenseman, but the big deals just seem wrong for them. Franzen's play of late is not something I would want under contract for the better part of a decade. You see more of him than I do, though.
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I feel the same way about Ehrhoff. He has a hit of 4 mil and was by far our best defenseman, but the big deals just seem wrong for them. Franzen's play of late is not something I would want under contract for the better part of a decade. You see more of him than I do, though.
No, I was disappointed in him this year. He's way too streaky. But it was one year. He's been fine.

You gotta recall that he was deemed a must-sign basically because he owned the playoffs from 2007 to 2009. Scored at an absurd rate.
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Who does everyone want with their team's first round pick? I'm down to three with the potential of four:


Brady Skjei D
Brendan Gaunce F
Thomas Wilson F

I wouldn't mind Frk either, but those three are who I want the most.
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Montreal and Toronto having top-5 picks bums me out, especially since we didn't even make the playoffs.
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I want Filip Forsberg. Galchenyuk would be nice too. (I'm rightfully assuming Yakupov is gone by the 3rd pick). I really like Murray and Reilly, but with Beaulieu and Tinordi in the system, I'd rather we take a forward.
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How does this draft stack up to those of recent years?
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Brady Skjei D
Brendan Gaunce F
Thomas Wilson F

I wouldn't mind Frk either, but those three are who I want the most.
Wilson for the Sharks.
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I'm just hoping Deano doesn't take a d-man or goalie with our first pick.
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Who does everyone want with their team's first round pick? I'm down to three with the potential of four:


Brady Skjei D
Brendan Gaunce F
Thomas Wilson F

I wouldn't mind Frk either, but those three are who I want the most.
I think there are almost no sure things in the top 10, so I'm hoping for either Faksa or Trouba at 12. Lindholm or Ceci could also be good, but the other two are dream picks.

21 could be almost anyone in this draft. Collberg would be nice, maybe Pouliot. I want Kerdiles, though.

Girgensons is the wildcard, for me. I've flip flopped on him a bunch. Can't wait to see what he does in college.
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Brian Campbell became the first defenseman since 1954 to win the Lady Byng.

HOW THE **** DID LIDSTROM NOT WIN ONE OF THESE!? The damn award should be renamed for him.
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Why even bring Nick into this? Campbell played the most minutes in the league and had 6 penalty minutes. 6, in comparison to 2205 on the ice. Totally ridiculous anomaly.

And I know you were kidding, but the last thing we need are more awards being unnecessarily renamed for former Red Wings.

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Why even bring Nick into this? Campbell played the most minutes in the league and had 6 penalty minutes. 6, in comparison to 2205 on the ice. Totally ridiculous anomaly.

And I know you were kidding, but the last thing we need are more awards being unnecessarily renamed for former Red Wings.

I was kidding about the trophy renaming, but seriously, Lidstrom did it year after year after year with minimal penalty minutes and being regarded as the classiest, most gentlemanly player.
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I wonder when they will have a trophy for the best offensive-defenseman and the best defensive-defenseman.
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I wonder when they will have a trophy for the best offensive-defenseman and the best defensive-defenseman.
Hopefully never. NO NEW TROPHIES!
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