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damnit Ness, stop twisting my words! I would never not now the name of the player I've been talking about in this entire thread. GOSH!
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I have no issues with this list.

But if Richard Sherman plays half as well as he did last year, he's going to be a fixture.
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Corey Webster a shut down corner? Sorry, shut down to me means someone playing on the level of a Darrell Revis, Champ Bailey, Rod Woodson, or Deion Sanders in their prime. Hall of Fame type guys. Webster is good (especially that season in 2008), but in response to the other poster, saying that he shouldn't be below everyone else "just because" is kind of weak in my opinion.

Here are the numbers of the most targeted cornerbacks according to Pro Football Focus:

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...-2011-numbers/

Believe what you want.
I have to side with the Giants fans on this one. I've always been a Webster fan and thought he was easily the most underrated CB in the league. He's been playing at a high level for a long time. He may be slowing down just a tad, but he's still pretty good. I think he's top 5 material. You can make cases for alot of guys. There's alot of CB talent in the league and there is always going to be some ppl who believe their guy doesn't get enough love. But I think in Webster case its true because I never hear ppl talk about him when the mention best CBs in the league.
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I have to side with the Giants fans on this one. I've always been a Webster fan and thought he was easily the most underrated CB in the league. He's been playing at a high level for a long time. He may be slowing down just a tad, but he's still pretty good. I think he's top 5 material. You can make cases for alot of guys. There's alot of CB talent in the league and there is always going to be some ppl who believe their guy doesn't get enough love. But I think in Webster case its true because I never hear ppl talk about him when the mention best CBs in the league.

The problem with those stats and other stuff like that is it doesn't give the big picture. Mind you we had 5 Cbs on IR, so in order to compensate we'd bring a sky safety down on the opposite site so compensate. At one point we had Rolle in the slot playing CB as well. So instead of getting owned on the opposite site, we would compensate and get Qbs to throw to the side where we weren't trying to compensate. Basically QBs instead of forcing it were taking what we gave them which was Webster on their X.

Webster has been our guy throughout both super bowl runs. He is always on X, from what I see, and has done a good job. He is a solid guy who doesn't get that much press.
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Jimmy Smith is gonna be the 2nd best CB in the league within 2 years. Write it down.

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Please ppl. For the love of God. Stop following PFF's word like the gospel. It's a decent tool to use when evaluating guys, but it's not that accurate in many instances, especially for DBs.
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Please ppl. For the love of God. Stop following PFF's word like the gospel. It's a decent tool to use when evaluating guys, but it's not that accurate in many instances, especially for DBs.
I don't follow the site like its gospel so I know you aren't talking about me.
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Good, so you're good to go then. The people that do are the ones that are at a disadvantage.
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I have to side with the Giants fans on this one. I've always been a Webster fan and thought he was easily the most underrated CB in the league. He's been playing at a high level for a long time. He may be slowing down just a tad, but he's still pretty good. I think he's top 5 material. You can make cases for alot of guys. There's alot of CB talent in the league and there is always going to be some ppl who believe their guy doesn't get enough love. But I think in Webster case its true because I never hear ppl talk about him when the mention best CBs in the league.
That's fine. I just personally believe he isn't a shut down corner. A very good one though. And not being talked about doesn't necessarily warrant the staus of top gun either. You could say the same thing about Webb. Like you mentioned yourself cases can be made for a lot of guys in the NFL.
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Good, so you're good to go then. The people that do are the ones that are at a disadvantage.
Like with all of those sites, when citing information it just depends on how it is taken in context. That being said it can be useful at times.
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Like with all of those sites, when citing information it just depends on how it is taken in context. That being said it can be useful at times.
Oh I agree with that and that Webster is NOT a shut down corner, but a pretty damn good one. But the thing with those stats is that a lot of fans use them as their crux of their argument and turn football talk into a statistic class.

Watch when this new NFL game tape comes out. Now all that means is that you get dumb fans using stat sites and that video incorrectly and coming up with idiotic assumptions. My guess is that blogs and sites will use them, and the fan who is misinformed will use that as their foundation for whatever point they want to make. And often they will use it incorrectly.
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And Corey Webster is a boss.
That's a very bold statemement. Especially with the CB talent from that draft class. Right now, Sherman, Smith, PP, Culliver, and Allen have all showed signs of bright careers down the road. And I still think guys like Dowling, and Carmichael will show themselves to be talents at the position if they can come back from injuries. It will be interesting to see just what kind of careers unfold with that class.
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That's fine. I just personally believe he isn't a shut down corner. A very good one though. And not being talked about doesn't necessarily warrant the staus of top gun either. You could say the same thing about Webb. Like you mentioned yourself cases can be made for a lot of guys in the NFL.
There are no more shutdown CBs so its a moot point. Revis is close but no QB fears any CB in the league right now. Nor should they. The rules are catered for offensive players. A CB's job is more difficult than ever. It is what it is.
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There are no more shutdown CBs so its a moot point. Revis is close but no QB fears any CB in the league right now. Nor should they. The rules are catered for offensive players. A CB's job is more difficult than ever. It is what it is.
How is Revis not a shutdown CB?
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That's a very bold statemement. Especially with the CB talent from that draft class. Right now, Sherman, Smith, PP, Culliver, and Allen have all showed signs of bright careers down the road. And I still think guys like Dowling, and Carmichael will show themselves to be talents at the position if they can come back from injuries. It will be interesting to see just what kind of careers unfold with that class.
It wouldn't be the first bold statement from BBD.

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I apologize for using the term shutdown corner. It wear a bit hyperbolic but Webster is still underrated which is surprising to me. The only player who made him look silly was Vincent Jackson a few years ago.
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My list was very, very close to this one. I've been pretty spot on on all of these so far. My general thoughts:

-Haden is too high. I had him further down the list.
-Woodson definitely too high, especially because I'd even be hesitant to call him a pure CB anymore. I had him at #10 on my list, I think Rogers and Webster are superior cover men at this point in their respective careers

Glad to see Ladarious getting the love. And yes, Revis is a shutdown CB. Anyone saying otherwise is a crazy person.

Finally, BBD is right. Jimmy Smith is a Top 5 CB in the NFL in 2 years. Mark it down.
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I think there's only 1 shut down CB in the league, and that's Revis. I've said this many times in the past, Revis is the best CB I've seen since Deion. He's that good.

I just love Jimmy Smith. He's physical, he's tall and has long arms and he has the hips and speed to keep up with guys, and his press man skills are the best I've seen in awhile. When he was in press man in college, it was over. You didn't have a chance.

And he looked real good his rookie season. They put him on Gronk a lot in the playoffs, they put him on Andre Johnson. A rookie CB on that team, with those responsibilities? And he did a damn good job too.

He's gonna be special. I liked taking Prince, but deep down I had a feeling we'd regret passing on Smith bc I knew he's the best CB from that draft class.

I loved PP and Smith in that class. Liked Prince a lot too, but PP and Smith are gonna be studs.
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Did you see Richard Sherman pressing last year?
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Sherman was a beast on press too, but he's not as fast as Smith or fluid. Still love him though. Seattle has a very good secondary.

Seattle, Baltimore, NYG, Philly, and NYJ might round out the top 5 cb cores in the league.
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Seattle EASILY has the best secondary top-to-bottom in the league.

EASILY.

Trufant as the nickel? YES.
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Stevie Johnson makes Revis his *****. His route running is so ******** when he makes his cuts Revis' brain just melts and he doesn't know how to play it. There was even multiple times last year where Fitzpatrick just completely missed Johnson on the sideline where he burned Revis for what could have been several big plays rather than the handful of shorter routes that Fitzpatrick was able to actually throw accurately enough to convert on.
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