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Old 07-01-2012, 04:08 PM    (permalink
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Be careful how you play this, Forenci. I have yet to solidly detect / deduce your affiliation.
His gain would be saving a fellow mafia member.
At the point of his vote, who would have thought anything of it with Gonzo's style of play.

Gonzo is made and Cigaro with him.
You've yet to explain why this would even make sense.

You're clearly just delaying and hoping to find anything to grab onto and try and divert attention from yourself. If you're really a miller and think I'm evil, sacrificing yourself would be more than a fair trade. If you're evil, you know the information against you is too damning to escape, you're just unnecessarily prolonging the day.
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Why would he be one of the first to vote for someone and then unvote him? Gonzo could have been killed at any time for quite some time. Everyone knows you seldom vote for your own mafia members unless it's necessary to sacrifice one. You don't be one of the first to initiate it unless the day before we know that person is evil. And you'd be dumb to vote for Gonzo that early. If you start voting on Gonzo he can easily be lynched because of how most people get annoyed with him and feel as if he hurts the game.
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CJ claimed miller. Was that a broth up thinking he was investigated?
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Old 07-01-2012, 04:13 PM    (permalink
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You've yet to explain why this would even make sense.

You're clearly just delaying and hoping to find anything to grab onto and try and divert attention from yourself. If you're really a miller and think I'm evil, sacrificing yourself would be more than a fair trade. If you're evil, you know the information against you is too damning to escape, you're just unnecessarily prolonging the day.
You are right in saying I am delaying and trying to divert attention from myself. By doing so, I save the town a player and turn attention back to the evil it is fighting. You say sacrificing myself would be more than a fair trade. I say evil wins when good doesn't fight back. I have provide 3 possible options given your revelation. Prolonging the day, surely. Unnecessarily, not at all.
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Old 07-01-2012, 04:14 PM    (permalink
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CJ claimed miller. Was that a broth up thinking he was investigated?
Either that, or he would want cover for if he somehow survived today but showed up evil in someone's investigations tomorrow.

Showing up evil when investigated, there being less kills on the days he's roleblocked, it seems pretty simple to me at this point.
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Old 07-01-2012, 04:15 PM    (permalink
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Why would he be one of the first to vote for someone and then unvote him? Gonzo could have been killed at any time for quite some time. Everyone knows you seldom vote for your own mafia members unless it's necessary to sacrifice one. You don't be one of the first to initiate it unless the day before we know that person is evil. And you'd be dumb to vote for Gonzo that early. If you start voting on Gonzo he can easily be lynched because of how most people get annoyed with him and feel as if he hurts the game.
I postulate that a first vote for him means little due to the way he was playing.
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Old 07-01-2012, 04:17 PM    (permalink
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You still haven't explained why I would vote for him among the first, then unvote him as soon as he was only two away from the necessary, if we're in league. That makes no sense. This is third time I've asked you to explain.
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Old 07-01-2012, 04:18 PM    (permalink
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You are right in saying I am delaying and trying to divert attention from myself. By doing so, I save the town a player and turn attention back to the evil it is fighting. You say sacrificing myself would be more than a fair trade. I say evil wins when good doesn't fight back. I have provide 3 possible options given your revelation. Prolonging the day, surely. Unnecessarily, not at all.
I have also considered those three options but they are easy cop outs. All inactives. If nothing else, killing you might clear their names too since you'd have to be pretty dumb to throw them under the bus.
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Old 07-01-2012, 04:21 PM    (permalink
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Seriously though, where is the rest of the town? I know TitanHope said he wanted to wait to hear from CJ, but he posted in the Skyrim thread around 4, long after CJ started responding. McGee's posting elsewhere as well, although admittedly he's already cast a vote. Other than that though, the town's seemingly disappeared today.
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You still haven't explained why I would vote for him among the first, then unvote him as soon as he was only two away from the necessary, if we're in league. That makes no sense. This is third time I've asked you to explain.
I did explain it. I said you would have done it to distance yourself during subsequent vote reviews.

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I have also considered those three options but they are easy cop outs. All inactives. If nothing else, killing you might clear their names too since you'd have to be pretty dumb to throw them under the bus.
I refer to these options. Never have I mentioned other players.

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At this point I believe a possibility of the following exiests:

a) you jailkept me, but are wrong in your interpretation of the results.

b) you are mafia, but didn't jail-keep me and are covering for the possible GF or other powerful mafia member.

c) you are mafia, and jail-kept me assuming I was a powerful town aligned player and are now covering for the possible GF or other powerful mafia member.

Take your pick, but the voting slide that took place sure is gonna be fun to climb out from underneath when I am proven good.
Face it, guys. You can't trip up the truth as it has nothing to trip over.
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Seriously though, where is the rest of the town?
This is the only bit of sense you have made yet today.









It won't save you though.
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I did explain it. I said you would have done it to distance yourself during subsequent vote reviews.
That's what the very question is about, why would I vote for Gonzo to try and distance myself, then remove my vote when he was about to get lynched? That would completely defeat any goal I had with the original vote, so I'm still waiting to hear why you would think I would do something so dumb and obvious.

So no, you haven't explained it. Going on four times.
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I did explain it. I said you would have done it to distance yourself during subsequent vote reviews.



I refer to these options. Never have I mentioned other players.



Face it, guys. You can't trip up the truth as it has nothing to trip over.
Oh, I thought you were suggesting people early when you mentioned Caddy and such.
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Seriously though, where is the rest of the town? I know TitanHope said he wanted to wait to hear from CJ, but he posted in the Skyrim thread around 4, long after CJ started responding. McGee's posting elsewhere as well, although admittedly he's already cast a vote. Other than that though, the town's seemingly disappeared today.
Nothing has changed my mind that's happened lately. Hockey happenings and laughing at Italy have most of my attention as I sit here lazily.
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Seriously though, where is the rest of the town? I know TitanHope said he wanted to wait to hear from CJ, but he posted in the Skyrim thread around 4, long after CJ started responding. McGee's posting elsewhere as well, although admittedly he's already cast a vote. Other than that though, the town's seemingly disappeared today.
I am here for a little while longer. Finished up most of my packing for moving down south except for my desktop and such. I'll probably do that pretty soon too and I do have my laptop but I don't know if I'll have a chance to use it before I go to bed.
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Seriously though, where is the rest of the town? I know TitanHope said he wanted to wait to hear from CJ, but he posted in the Skyrim thread around 4, long after CJ started responding. McGee's posting elsewhere as well, although admittedly he's already cast a vote. Other than that though, the town's seemingly disappeared today.
I'm here but I think killing CJ is a mistake and I only voted for him because the rest of you got to overthinking killing the most suspicious person in the town, Gonzo.

If you're innocent, I'm sorry CJ, but people don't want to see what is right in front of their face.

And I'd rather the decision to kill anyone come from us and not be made by the moderator.
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I'd also like to point out, as I did earlier, I will be all day tomorrow. Getting up at 3:30 a.m. and driving 15-16+ hours to South Carolina so I doubt I will check in. Maybe at the hotel if I can get some wireless for free.
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That's what the very question is about, why would I vote for Gonzo to try and distance myself, then remove my vote when he was about to get lynched? That would completely defeat any goal I had with the original vote, so I'm still waiting to hear why you would think I would do something so dumb and obvious.

So no, you haven't explained it. Going on four times.
No where did I say you were highly intelligent in your motives to save Gonzo. I believe that in my 3 options I rebutted, I offered two that explained your actions.

Let's put it this way - in all honesty, even when I come up good, there will be a few whom you will have fooled. You will claim option a which I provided, Gonzo will still be alive and the trail will likely lead onward to another suspect. That suspect likely to be an inactive or one provided by players with info gathering ability on either side.
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No where did I say you were highly intelligent in your motives to save Gonzo. I believe that in my 3 options I rebutted, I offered two that explained your actions.

Let's put it this way - in all honesty, even when I come up good, there will be a few whom you will have fooled. You will claim option a which I provided, Gonzo will still be alive and the trail will likely lead onward to another suspect. That suspect likely to be an inactive or one provided by players with info gathering ability on either side.
If you turn up good, people aren't going to just drop suspicions of Gonzo. Simply put, people are too suspicious of him to let him just be forgotten. And if he goes, I'll probably be tied to him at least to some degree.

Also, of course I will claim option A, because its true. But I'm pretty confident that that situation isn't going to arise, as you're going to turn up evil.
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Also, of course I will claim option A, because its true. But I'm pretty confident that that situation isn't going to arise, as you're going to turn up evil.
So you agree you have misinterpreted the results, but will not change your vote in the face of truth, yet still feel I am evil?

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So you agree you have misinterpreted the results, but will not change your vote in the face of truth, yet still feel I am evil?

SMH
You're clearly looking for anything you can find to try and make it seem like I'm tripping up;

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Or, I'm a jailkeeper, you're not a miller and instead mafia, and the fact that only one kill happened over the two nights you were jailkept is not just a coincidence.
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That would fall under option a.
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CJ (10) Cigaro, Gonzo, Vidae, Deep, broth, Rufus, McGee, Grizz, Forenci, Woot
Gonzo (4) killswitch, fenikz, CJ, Caddy
Forenci (1) Snicho


With 19 remaining players, 10 votes needed for majority.
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Brilliant letting one of Scott Pioli's henchmen have his own team to ruin.  One of the premier GM jobs in the NFL and it gets handed to a stupid **** who makes three facepalm moves for every good one.  Awesome.  Just like handing a new Mercedes to a 16 year old girl who's already been in three wrecks. 
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After losing Sandy Cohen the previous night, the town was on edge. Attention immediately turned to Gonzo. The residents of Newport Beach just didn't believe his boasting about his supposed abilities. But he defended himself admirably. Then the crowd remembered Luke Ward, Harbor's star water polo player. "He always beats me up and pisses in my shoes. Plus, his dad is ***!" shouted a young high school student. He seemed like an obvious murder suspect. The crowd began pelting him with water polo balls, with Woot throwing the death-dealing ball.



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