Sandusky Trial

[descendency]

Originally Posted by Smooth Criminal

If those are real that is absolutely killer. That is the death penalty if anything is. Way more than I was expecting actually. Wow.

The first sanction is literally what the death penalty is. "No football for a year".

[diabsoule]

If those are the punishments, does the Big Ten boot Penn State from the conference? No real historical ties to the conference like the other prominent programs in the conference. Would also have programs lined up to join.

[JoeJoeBrown]

Originally Posted by Complex

enn St sanctions - from CBS news leak

1) SUSPENSION OF FOOTBALL OPERATIONS FOR ONE YEAR

2) NO TELEVISION TIL 2015

3) BOWL BAN TIL 2015

4) NO FOOTBALL SCHOLARSHIPS FOR 2013

5) ALL CURRENT PLAYERS ON ROSTER ALLOWED TO TRANSFER WITH NO PENALTY

6) NCAA CLEARINGHOUSE TO EXPEDITE AND ADMINISTER ALL TRANSFERS

7) SPECIAL NCAA DISPENSATION THAT PENN ST FOOTBALL PLAYERS WHO TRANSFER, WILL NOT COUNT AGAINST SCHOLARSHIP LIMIT FOR GAINING SCHOOL

8) LOSS OF 8 SCHOLARSHIPS PER YEAR BEGINNING IN 2014 AND CONTINUING FOR 5 YEARS TO 2020.

9) BEGINNING IN 2014, OPTION TO DROP DOWN TO DIV 1AA WITH NO PENALTY, AND THE RIGHT TO RETURN TO DIV 1A AFTER 2020.

10) WINS AND RECORDS BACK TO 1998 WILL BE VACATED

11) TICKET REVENUE OFFSET PAYOUT TO BE GIVEN TO SCHEDULED OPPONENTS

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyCBS
Penn State will be fined b/w $30 million to $60 million, sources told@CBSSports http://cbsprt.co/O8tNRq

I can't find that list anywhere. Google indicates that it originated on BWI. Im calling bs unless someone can find a real source.

[Smooth Criminal]

Originally Posted by descendency

The first sanction is literally what the death penalty is. "No football for a year".

Just meant that this will kill a program more than anything I ever even imagined. I don't really believe it'll be this bad till I see it somewhere from a credible source.

[yo123]

If there is no death penalty I might just stop watching college football.

[Complex]

Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown

I can't find that list anywhere. Google indicates that it originated on BWI. Im calling bs unless someone can find a real source.

I got it from the mainboard who got it from BWI

[WCH]

Looking at it point-by-point, everything on the list seems plausible. We've already talked about most of those options in this thread. Taken as a whole, it would be the most devastating punishment in NCAA history -- which is fitting because this is the worst scandal in NCAA history.

I wouldn't have a problem with any of it, as long as the current players can get the hell out of dodge.

[JoeJoeBrown]

Originally Posted by Complex

I got it from the mainboard who got it from BWI

I figured it was something like that. It smells trolley to me.

[StickSkills]

So the cool part is, we might have a new cheer at Penn State. I'm a Nittany Nation officer and I'm working on pushing the new cheer.

[Cigaro]

Originally Posted by diabsoule

If those are the punishments, does the Big Ten boot Penn State from the conference? No real historical ties to the conference like the other prominent programs in the conference. Would also have programs lined up to join.

Might as well. Under those conditions, both the prestige and talent that Penn State would normally bring to the table would be completely lost. They would be a tainted team that couldn't even compete.

[Philliez01]

I just hope they willingly demote to DII (instead of FCS) so I can see the much-ballyhooed Kutztown v. Penn State rivalry come into effect.

[JoeJoeBrown]

Originally Posted by StickSkills

So the cool part is, we might have a new cheer at Penn State. I'm a Nittany Nation officer and I'm working on pushing the new cheer.

Stay positive no matter what man. Work to improve the community and the attitudes that pervade it.

Make sure you push PSU to be the best it can be and do your best to ensure that something like this could never happen again at your school.

This is obviously a critical time at PSU and as such, students like you can push for real change and re-architecting of the power scheme at the school.

[StickSkills]

Originally Posted by Cigaro

Might as well. Under those conditions, both the prestige and talent that Penn State would normally bring to the table would be completely lost. They would be a tainted team that couldn't even compete.

I'd be willing to bet someone like the ACC would pick up PSU. They'd see the future investment in terms of money and it could possibly help them try and bring in ND.

I wouldn't mind it at all, having PSU in a conference with Pitt, Maryland, VT, UVA, BC, and Syracuse would be great in terms of rivalry games. Then we could also end up playing FSU, Miami, Clemson? Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, that's for sure.

[Smooth Criminal]

Penn State would be a great fit for the ACC and I'd assume the Big Ten would boot them if all of these things turn out to be true. They would bring virtually nothing to the table if all of these things happen.

[diabsoule]

Originally Posted by StickSkills

I'd be willing to bet someone like the ACC would pick up PSU. They'd see the future investment in terms of money and it could possibly help them try and bring in ND.

I wouldn't mind it at all, having PSU in a conference with Pitt, Maryland, VT, UVA, BC, and Syracuse would be great in terms of rivalry games. Then we could also end up playing FSU, Miami, Clemson? Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, that's for sure.

That's actually how I would see that playing out. If the Big Ten boots Penn State, I think the ACC would grab them. Despite the loss of prestige, Penn State is still a name brand and offers great academics.

It wouldn't bring in Notre Dame, who I think the Big Ten would throw their entire might after to lure into the conference, but the ACC could lure in Rutgers or UConn.

This is all purely hypothetical but the Big Ten booting Penn State would start another wave of conference realignment.

[WCH]

Notre Dame would really be the logical addition for the Big 10. If they ever join any conference then it's going to be the Big 10, and the Big 10 would find a way to fit them in.

[diabsoule]

Originally Posted by WCH

Notre Dame would really be the logical addition for the Big 10. If they ever join any conference then it's going to be the Big 10, and the Big 10 would find a way to fit them in.

My thoughts exactly. The 2nd best conference fit for them is the ACC but they seem to be a distant 2nd behind the Big Ten, imo.

[Complex]

ND does not like the big 10 after they rejected them a long time ago IIRC.

[diabsoule]

Originally Posted by Complex

ND does not like the big 10 after they rejected them a long time ago IIRC.

ND has rejected the B1G twice before.

[Complex]

Originally Posted by diabsoule

ND has rejected the B1G twice before.

Yeah but the Big 10 rejected them 1st.

[WCH]

Notre Dame averages three Big 10 opponents per season (IIRC), and some of the rivalries (Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue) date back to the late 19th Century. For geographic and historic reasons, I'd be pretty shocked if Notre Dame joined any other conference. I'm just not sure how eager ND is to give up it's independent status.

Any possible beef between the school and the conference would only make it more profitable.

[Giantsfan1080]

Looks like the Big Ten will punish Penn State also.

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/d...enn-state-too/

[Smooth Criminal]

Depends on how hard the NCAA goes. If they did something like was mentioned earlier, the only thing left for the Big Ten to do is throw that out. If they go more lenient than that, the Big Ten would most likely just try to take some money away from them.

[Razor]

The PSU penalty (maybe):



https://twitter.com/HubbuchNYP/statu.../photo/1/large

Hholy ****, that's ******* huge!

[jrdrylie]

$60 million in fines, 4-year bowl ban, loss of 40 scholarships, all wins from 1998-2011 vacated, and probation.