Penn State Sanctions

[iowatreat54]

Originally Posted by Grizzlegom

As heartbreaking as many of the Iowa games have been since 2000, they do tend to be great games. Between the 6-4 game and those two games in 2008 and 2009, even though they are losses, they are a few of the more memorable games we've had.

I think the Iowa-PSU "rivalry" has been really entertaining over the last decade, and I think the fans of both teams (at least online) seem to have embraced it. Plus, it always seems like for whatever reason, the Iowa-PSU game, regardless if it's at Iowa or PSU, seems to either be high profile, a night game, or have some added extra attention to it. I think the media loved playing up Ferentz being from Pennsylvania, and probably now will play up the Ferentz-Belichick-O'Brien-Little Ferentz connections.

[wogitalia]

Originally Posted by njx9

transferring is NOT a big deal, and it's LESS of a big deal for a scholarshipped athlete. period. further, if you don't want to uproot, you're not being forced to. you just don't get to root for a bunch of dudes who supported child molestation. boo-*******-hoo. or you don't get to play for a scumbag and represent him in bowl games. you're STILL not being punished.

it's like telling your kid, 'johnny, i didn't say you needed to sit in the corner, you can go play outside with your friends.' only to hear, 'and have to uproot myself?! stop punishing me!'

So now the fans are cheering for the people who "supported" the child molestation? Not for the football team? Really? So supporting a football team that but for a very select few involved in it had nothing to do with that is now supporting child rape.

As for your kid in the corner, it is a lot like that, except you are getting it entirely wrong, it's like the kids outside are playing dodgeball and there is a prize for the winner and you tell the kid, you are allowed to go out there and play with them but you aren't allowed to win because your teacher last year who is now at another school got a speeding ticket.

Sure they don't have to transfer, unless they want to actually play for something in football, unless they want to compete. If they want to win anything then they have to transfer, not because they did something wrong but because a select few enabled a criminal.

Put it this way, say it was the Broncos and your entire fan base was told that because of something that your former GM did entirely unrelated to football that for the next 4 years your team isn't allowed to win anything, are you not being punished then? If you say that it wouldn't matter you are a pretty poor fan in my book. Football may not be important to you but to a great many, sitting down on Sunday and watching your team and hoping they win is important, taking that away from them for something they didn't do is a pretty harsh punishment, in my book at least.

Originally Posted by iowatreat54

Wait, waaaaait....

Could you explain how "a few hundred thousand" are being punished? I hope you are just exagerrating, and only mean a few hundred, but surely you are not including PSU fans and alumni as being "punished" because they will have a crappy football team...

I can buy that the current players are being punished to an extent, and then even the other programs that rely on PSU football revenue, but even that isn't unprecedented.

It isn't about having a crappy football team, they may well have had that anyway, it's about having a football team that isn't allowed to win anything. Making it harder to win is one thing but making it impossible, well that takes everything away, that is punishing the fans of that team.

Say it came out today that at the 1996 Olympics that one of the US coaches had murdered someone and that another administrator witnessed it and didn't do anything about, would you as a nation not be punished if the IOC came out and said that no US Olympian may win a medal this year as a result of those two people? Your athletes may all compete under the Olympic flag if they wish but if they compete under the USA flag they are ineligible for medals. Can you not see how that is punishing the fans or the current athletes who dreamed of representing the US at the Olympics? Your Olympic team didn't cheat or do anything to give them an unfair advantage at winning but two people made awful decisions and as a result everyone else is paying the price.

That is what is happening hear, imo. Again, I couldn't care less about PSU, I have no affiliation, don't particularly like anything about the school or its football program but that doesn't mean I don't think that the people they've punished here are not those that did the crime. Maybe that's just me...

[iowatreat54]

I fail to see how the US not being able to compete in the Olympics is a punishment to me in any way. Do I cheat for the US? Of course. But that's like saying my favorite tv show being canceled is a direct punishment to me. Just because I would have slightly less entertainment in my life doesn't make it a punishment.

Like wise, not being able to watch a competitive football team is not a punishment to the fans. They have about 20 other teams to cheer for, specifically wrestling and women's volleyball.

[wogitalia]

Originally Posted by iowatreat54

I fail to see how the US not being able to compete in the Olympics is a punishment to me in any way. Do I cheat for the US? Of course. But that's like saying my favorite tv show being canceled is a direct punishment to me. Just because I would have slightly less entertainment in my life doesn't make it a punishment.

Like wise, not being able to watch a competitive football team is not a punishment to the fans. They have about 20 other teams to cheer for, specifically wrestling and women's volleyball.

Maybe it's just me then... I still remember that my mums favourite punishment for me was taking away things that I liked doing so maybe I'm just someone that when they have something they like taken away feels punished! I know if you told me the Vikings weren't able to win anything for the next 4 years I'd be pretty damn shattered, if we'd cheated I'd be annoyed as hell but would understand it (hell if you aren't cheating you aren't trying hard enough right?) but if it was for something that had nothing to do with football I'd be pretty damn annoyed at me being punished by it. Just think there is a big difference between cheating, for which you should be punished and something that has nothing to do with the actual competition and being punished for that.

I think those involved should be punished as much as possible I just don't think this punishment actually hits those involved, again for me it feels like the dropped a nuke on PSU after all those involved had already caught the first flight out and avoided it.

PS.. missed the TV show thing first time round... I'd say it's more akin to that show continuing but you not being able to watch it because some guy on your street did something wrong. In this case the show is still running but you aren't allowed to watch it because of someone else. Something like a lockout is more like a show getting cancelled, where no one gets to watch it, sure everyone is worse off by not being able to enjoy it but it wasn't targeted. To be a punishment for me it takes being singled out and having something taken away, rather than no one getting that thing in which case it's just unfortunate.

[iowatreat54]

Well it's probably that we disagree that it had nothing to do with football. I feel that one of the big reasons that this was all covered up was to protect the football program. By not coming out with it sooner, they created an advantage in that the football team wasn't punished initially. Had it been reported in 98 or 01, there would have likely been a slap on the wrist and the football program's reputation tainted, causing possibly less interest from recruits and certainly less interest from tv networks and bowls (aka less money).

So I firmly believe the cover up, regardless of who the main culprit(s) were, was done to preserve the reputation of the football team.

[wogitalia]

Originally Posted by iowatreat54

Well it's probably that we disagree that it had nothing to do with football. I feel that one of the big reasons that this was all covered up was to protect the football program. By not coming out with it sooner, they created an advantage in that the football team wasn't punished initially. Had it been reported in 98 or 01, there would have likely been a slap on the wrist and the football program's reputation tainted, causing possibly less interest from recruits and certainly less interest from tv networks and bowls (aka less money).

So I firmly believe the cover up, regardless of who the main culprit(s) were, was done to preserve the reputation of the football team.

There are almost certainly elements of it being that. I don't think the fine element was unjust, really it's taking away any ability to win that to me misses the target. Even the scholarships aren't a huge deal, that could be seen as a fair football punishment for those who think there was a significant competitive advantage gained. Taking away the ability to win though just hits everyone invested in the program, be it emotionally, physically or financially, who hasn't done anything wrong.

I do think something was needed and I think the fine, vacated wins and even scholarships would have done. The fine hits the administration, the vacated wins don't mean anything to normal fans (they still won those games when both teams were doing everything to win) and only really hit Paterno for his part in it. The scholarships are the reminder over the next 4 years. Taking away winning going forward though to me doesn't target anyone who did the crimes and only impacts those left picking up the pieces.

As I've said though, I really couldn't care less about the PSU program and what's done is done! I just personally think the punishment was overreaching.

[JoeJoeBrown]

Ok, apparently the portion of PSU idiots is even more sizable than I had thought.

70,000 PSU fans lambast ESPN for slamming Paterno.

Showing no signs of higher intelligence, over 70,000 Penn State students and fans of Penn State "liked" a Facebook comment on the Penn State page that demands ESPN apologize for “dragging Joe Paterno though the dirt.” The comment is directed toward Penn State president Rodney Erickson, and claims that ESPN didn’t treat Paterno or Penn State with justice.
In opposition to their claims is the evidence from the Freeh Report, which states that Paterno acted with “callous and shocking disregard for child victims.”
But don’t hold students to the facts. They are out to right a grievous wrong, according to the post on Facebook:
“Even until the day he passed away, Coach Paterno lived with gracious integrity and still to this day, has been the only staff member to admit he was wrong.
I also ask that ESPN give a sincere and public apology for dragging the school, Joe Pa, the victims, and the fans, alumni, and families of Penn State through the dirt by giving an unfair and completely biased, opinionated report.”
And then, in a hilariously inappropriate analogy, the post goes on to say: “We do not remove the Lincoln Memorial because he started the Civil War, rather we leave it as a reminder of the good he’s done.”
Lincoln: freeing slaves.
Paterno: freeing Sandusky so he can maim young men for life.
Now there’s the kind of thinking that justifies sending your kid to college.

[Giantsfan1080]

Is that Lincoln quote for real?

[WCH]

Maybe it's because of social media groupthink, but a lot of PSU fans seem to be handling this with a lot less class than fans of previous schools who've faced NCAA sanctions.

[iowatreat54]

You know, for all the arguments that PSU fans and students keep making for the academic integrity of the university, how they graduate players, how they are a world class university, etc., they have some really moronic fans. (not all of them)

As I'm sure you all have seen, they will pull up a recent news story, for example Iowa RB Deandre Johnson getting a disorderly house citation and then arrested/cited for speeding and eluding cops. Some PSU fan(s) will make the argument that the NCAA should investigate and sanction Iowa, since that's what they did to PSU.

[Smooth Criminal]

I've never laughed so hard at those idiots. The Lincoln quote is priceless. They really must not understand history. Should probably add that to their GECs

[jrdrylie]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Is that Lincoln quote for real?

Yeah, it's definitely real.

[Giantsfan1080]

I'm speechless. I thought it was maybe just a few students that were still in denial but apparently not.

[JoeJoeBrown]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Is that Lincoln quote for real?

Yes. These people are seriously stupid.

[jrdrylie]

Some of the better comments on that post

What I don't understand is why is everyone attacking Joe Paterno and Penn State? They were not the ones who actually hurt those kids. Yes, they could have, and probably should have taken things up to a higher level. They probably followed t...heir "protocol" for reporting these incidents. Why is everyone putting blame on those who did not harm the children instead of the man who did? When will we grow up and put the blame where it should go and stop pointing fingers at everyone else?

Never since the Salem witch hunts or the McCarthy era have people in this country gotten it so wrong by following the media and rumors instead of looking at the facts. I mean, that lady in Florida killed her daughter and even she was not guilty. It's ok, the truth will come out that Tom Corbett and The Second Mile were part of a pedophile ring in Philly and used JoePa as a coverup to hide their secrets.

I love all the people on here still blaming JoPa for what sandickhead did when are you all going to wake up and realize JoPa did what he was suppose to do and yes he felt bad by not doing more, he reported it to his superiors and they assured him it would be takin care of then when it wasn't a lot of the jackasses there and on here put the blame on JoPa the man passed being a devoted coach and a hero to a lot of people so lets just keep blaming him all y'all that blame him need a reality check and wake the hell up

To the people who think Joe Pa did something wrong! You obviously never played football...he has much more on his mind then be the cop of the state of PA...he did what he was soposed to do an that was tell his hire ups...NONE of us know anymore then just that...weather he did or didn't go further is a matter of opinion...the fact remains justice wasn't served...what did the NCAA have to do with this? NOTHING...

[WCH]

To the people who think Joe Pa did something wrong! You obviously never played football...he has much more on his mind then be the cop of the state of PA...he did what he was soposed to do an that was tell his hire ups...NONE of us know anymore then just that...weather he did or didn't go further is a matter of opinion...the fact remains justice wasn't served...what did the NCAA have to do with this? NOTHING...

I'm so tired of reading this argument. When your employee comes to you and says "I saw a child being raped in our facilities" you tell him "call the police, right now."

There's simply no other acceptable action.

[Giantsfan1080]

You wouldn't wait until the weekend is over because you didn't want to bother anyone? You are the worst.

[iowatreat54]

Originally Posted by WCH

I'm so tired of reading this argument. When your employee comes to you and says "I saw a child being raped in our facilities" you tell him "call the police, right now."

There's simply no other acceptable action.

Even if that didn't happen, I can understand that night/next day if Paterno was told they would handle it. He assumed that they would report it to the police. But then weeks, months, YEARS go by, and you still see the man on campus and with kids? Yet you don't do anything because your boss said they'd take care of it? How anyone can sit around and do NOTHING for years is beyond me.

As I've always stated, I don't think he actively tried to cover up. But I do no longer respect him for not doing anything and allowing Sandusky to roam the campus with children. And I swear if anyone comes back with he did what he was supposed to or didn't have the power or if he did more he could get arrested, I will go off on you.

[BuckeyeDan17]

I just read on CNN.com that PSU's insurance company is seeking to deny coverage. Has this already been discussed?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/25/us/pen...tml?hpt=ju_bn2

Sorry if this was covered already, but what if a court decision is reached and PSU is denied coverage for the lawsuits, what then?

EDIT: assuming the lawsuits even come to fruition

[Philliez01]

America really needs to re-teach students what communism, socialism, McCarthyism, and **** it; everything that ends with "ism" means.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by Philliez01

America really needs to re-teach students what communism, socialism, McCarthyism, and **** it; everything that ends with "ism" means.

And promptly kill anyone on the spot that uses "gate" at the end of anything that is considered a scandal.

[Philliez01]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

And promptly kill anyone on the spot that uses "gate" at the end of anything that is considered a scandal.

Life would've been so different if the DNC HQ'ed itself at a Ritz-Carlton.

[Smooth Criminal]

Idiotic Penn State fans will be celebrating Joe Paterno day next April 9th to celebrate the 409 wins that he used to have.

Should rename this accessory to child molestation day.

[iowatreat54]

So not really sure if this should go here, but this thread gave me a really good laugh.

http://bwi.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fi... =890&style=2

What would happen if all Penn State alumni and fans didn't watch a single game in which our Nittany Lions weren't playing? What would happen to B10 ratings if they lost the viewership of the entire state of Pennsylvania and much of the rest of the Mid-Atlantic region? What if ABC regional 3:30 kickoffs drew a goose egg east of Ohio? Do you think Emmert, Delaney, BTN, ESPN/ABC might realize that the damage they've inflicted upon Pennsylvania can boomerang right back at them?

I'm pretty scared that without the ENTIRE state of Pennsylvania and much of the rest of the Mid-Atlantic region, that the BTN would likely fold. PSU fandom is just so large, it probably makes up about 75% (if not more) of the entire Big Ten fanbase. There's no way the other 11 schools could provide as many viewers as PSU does. We're all ******.

[Ron]

I wish they shut down the ******* football program for good. Im so sick of ******* PSU and their fans. They shouldn't be outraged they should just be ******* ashamed. Let'em burn.