The Official Training Camp thread. - Page 12

Matthew Jones · 08-02-2012, 09:08 AM

I know everyone is being hyped in training camp, but supposedly Tavon Wilson is adapting quickly to the NFL and getting some first-team reps opposite Patrick Chung (the other potential starting candidate being Steve Gregory.) For better or worse, Wilson may get some substantial playing time this year considering New England's inability to stay healthy in the defensive backfield, the overall lack of top players, and Belichick's affinity for sub packages including those with three safeties.

Nalej · 08-02-2012, 09:17 AM

I'm hoping he proves all the draft guru's wrong and balls out

JHL6719 · 08-02-2012, 10:37 AM

Is Robert Turbin in the mix for the starting RB job in Seattle in light of Marshawn Lynch's off field issues? If so, he could be a nice sleeper candidate for OROY.

gpngc · 08-02-2012, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JHL6719

Is Robert Turbin in the mix for the starting RB job in Seattle in light of Marshawn Lynch's off field issues? If so, he could be a nice sleeper candidate for OROY.

Lynch most likely isn't going to be suspended this year. And if he is, it'll be two games at most.

Turbin is a very average player.

LonghornsLegend · 08-02-2012, 10:55 AM

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Yeah I know. At the time of the draft, I was not a Smith fan, and thought he'd be a bust, so at the time I was happy that you passed on Watt for him. Now I'm pretty much indifferent to it because you guys wound up with a great player regardless, and he's a great player at a key position. You're gonna need Smith to go against JPP for the next 10 years. That should be a hell of a battle for years to come. It's gonna be awesome to watch as fans.

Yea there isn't much you can do about JPP, it's not like Tyron can block him on his own when JPP is on his game but we at least needed to infuse some talent there especially being that we are soon going to be looking for another QB to develop. Free really looked out of sorts at LT and Tyron has that quick first step needed over there. Though in reference to Watt it was a match made in heaven with him and Wade Phillips, I knew he was going to bring out the best in him. Certainly would have loved to have him if we didn't have a hole at Tackle and in a division with a million great pass rushers.

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Matt Hasselbeck just wont go away. Jake has looked like he is ready to start so far in camp, but Matt is almost matching him throw for throw. I hate Hass for possibly keeping Jake on the bench for a few more games, but its also nice having a guy you know who is going to give you solid QB play when his name is called.

You know I really think Locker is going to be a really good QB. I don't know that he'll be on that elite level ever(he does have the tools), but considering how raw he was coming out, and all the areas he needed to work on, being brought along this way is doing nothing but making him a better QB. I wish more teams would adopt this strategy. Instead of throwing Locker out there and having him learn to rely on his legs primarily and run all over the place improvising, he gets to learn the ropes behind a saavy vet who can still play QB, and pick his brain for whatever that is worth.

Not only that but he gets to earn the job, and thus elevate his play along the way vs just them handing the franchise over to him from day 1. This is exactly what he needed to hone his skills properly, that offense is going to be electric really soon.

2 Live Crew · 08-02-2012, 11:10 AM

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Losing Goff to a torn ACL was a big loss for the Skins. Not enough is being made of that.

Goff and Fletcher would have made a pretty solid ILB duo.

Perry Riley played really well last year in that spot, he'll be fine. There is no LB depth now though. Skins front 7 will be legit

BeerBaron · 08-02-2012, 11:49 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...d-ben-ijalana/

If you wanted Ben Ijalana, now is your chance. The Colts have Waived-Injured him. (Same thing the Giants did with Ballard when the Patriots swiped him.)

Two straight seasons missed with ACL tears is pretty bad, but if you're a pretty strong/deep team and can afford to use one of your 90 roster spots on him until the end of training camp (when you can put guys straight onto IR,) he might be a worthwhile pickup.

BeerBaron · 08-02-2012, 11:50 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-elbow-injury/

Uh oh.

Matthew Jones · 08-02-2012, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...d-ben-ijalana/

If you wanted Ben Ijalana, now is your chance. The Colts have Waived-Injured him. (Same thing the Giants did with Ballard when the Patriots swiped him.)

Two straight seasons missed with ACL tears is pretty bad, but if you're a pretty strong/deep team and can afford to use one of your 90 roster spots on him until the end of training camp (when you can put guys straight onto IR,) he might be a worthwhile pickup.

Ijalana may be worth a flier for a team with no strong prospects for their offensive line, but then again, doesn't that describe the Colts? Indianapolis' starting offensive line includes the likes of Joe Reitz, Mike McGlynn, and Winston Justice, and even before Ijalana's injury he was listed on Ourlads as a third-string left guard. The Colts invested a second-round draft pick in Ijalana in 2011, he's already been under the knife on five separate occasions since entering the league (including the two ACLs, as mentioned), and he slid inside from tackle to guard almost immediately.

I'm not holding my breath that he's going to develop into something. Being a backup on a team that thin on the offensive line and then getting cut in your sophomore season is very concerning for a second rounder; he either couldn't play in the first place, or injuries have completely derailed his career. It looks like those Vlad Ducasse comparisons weren't so far off after all.

Ness · 08-02-2012, 12:16 PM

At this rate all of the Texans starters will be banged up by the season opener.

DiG · 08-02-2012, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 2 Live Crew

Perry Riley played really well last year in that spot, he'll be fine. There is no LB depth now though. Skins front 7 will be legit

Yea Goff was never slated to start. Definitely was nice depth which we don't have much of but wasnt going to start. Riley is going to put up big numbers this year. IDP sleeper.

XxXdragonXxX · 08-02-2012, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JHL6719

Is Robert Turbin in the mix for the starting RB job in Seattle in light of Marshawn Lynch's off field issues? If so, he could be a nice sleeper candidate for OROY.

Turbine will get reps when Lynch needs a rest or gets hurt. Lynch wont be suspended so no he wont be starting.

DoughBoy · 08-02-2012, 01:21 PM

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Have you been going to practices?

I went to 2. I hope I can squeeze in another one before they play the Seahawks.

FUNBUNCHER · 08-02-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DiG

Yea Goff was never slated to start. Definitely was nice depth which we don't have much of but wasnt going to start. Riley is going to put up big numbers this year. IDP sleeper.

Rookie LB Keenan Robinson was next in line behind Perry Riley and Fletcher. Very talented prospect, Goff was slated as depth from what I've been reading because he's never been fully healthy.

WCH · 08-02-2012, 02:07 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ng-camp-again/

Kentwan Balmer is missing from Redskins camp and the team doesn't know where he is. His agent hasn't responding to inquiries regarding Balmer's whereabouts.

Philliez01 · 08-02-2012, 02:49 PM

Shame about Ben. I was able to see him a couple months ago and he was pretty excited about getting back onto the field. He's a real good, bright guy and he works so damn hard. Back in high school, he was so raw that I didn't even expect him to blossom the way he did.

I really hope he goes somewhere, he's a good guy.

Ness · 08-02-2012, 05:07 PM

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ng-camp-again/

Kentwan Balmer is missing from Redskins camp and the team doesn't know where he is. His agent hasn't responding to inquiries regarding Balmer's whereabouts.

This guy was such a waste. Another bad pickup from the Mike Nolan/Singletary years.

VAfy-ya · 08-02-2012, 06:04 PM

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This guy was such a waste. Another bad pickup from the Mike Nolan/Singletary years.

That wasn't a Nolan pick though. That was a Scott McClueless gem. Nolan was a ****** coach but he could find talent when he had control over the draft. Scotty Mac on the other hand was a different story. That '08 draft was just awful. Balmer, Rachal, Reggie Smith, and Cody Wallace rounds 1,2, 3, and 4....ouch!

phlysac · 08-02-2012, 08:53 PM

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Scotty Mac on the other hand was a different story. That '08 draft was just awful. Balmer, Rachal, Reggie Smith, and Cody Wallace rounds 1,2, 3, and 4....ouch!

But the '07 draft was one of the franchise's all-time best. Hit and miss with McCloughan. He's certainly helping stockpile talent via the draft in Seattle.

armageddon · 08-02-2012, 11:03 PM

From Espn's Sando on Bradford

"1. Can the Rams help Bradford? It's easy to forget that Bradford had two 300-yard passing games in his first five starts last season. The high-ankle sprain he suffered in Week 6 changed the trajectory of his season. Bradford wasn't the only one hurting. The Rams suffered more losses to injury in a season than all but one NFL team since 2002, according to Football Outsiders. They had no chance."

"I wondered coming into camp whether last season inflicted irreparable damage to Bradford. That was not the case. There hasn't been a more impressive player on the practice field to this point. It's stunning, in retrospect, that a team with such a talented quarterback could suffer through a 2-14 season. So many things had to go wrong.

Day after day, play after play, Bradford impresses even the most seasoned observers. Receivers coach Ray Sherman, most recently with the Dallas Cowboys, has been around accomplished quarterbacks throughout his coaching career. The list includes Warren Moon, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Boomer Esiason, Randall Cunningham, Brett Favre, Steve McNair and Tony Romo. He used the word "special" to describe Bradford.

"His temperament is just so calm," Sherman said of Bradford. "He has a demeanor about him and Brett was like that -- when he spoke, guys listened. They tune in. They know, 'We take care of this guy, he's going to take us a long way. He's going to do some special things.'"

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post...t-louis-rams-3

Giantsfan1080 · 08-03-2012, 08:42 AM

So now Vick keeps running his mouth. It's worse than last year when Young said they were a dream team. You'd think Vick had learned all his lessons.

LonghornsLegend · 08-03-2012, 08:48 AM

Bradford will always look good in practice, no doubt about it. His issue(and always was IMO) was that when faced with pressure he got skittish, he doesn't always step into his throws when the pocket starts to collapse, and knowing what that offensive line looks like I don't expect much change.

JHL6719 · 08-03-2012, 09:00 AM

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Bradford will always look good in practice

Because he knows he won't be taking any contact. It's a little different when you know that's not the case..... besides the obvious factor of remaining healthy once the hits start coming.

bigbluedefense · 08-03-2012, 09:02 AM

What did Vick say now?

K Train · 08-03-2012, 09:13 AM

that they could be a dynasty, i dont get what the big deal is...it was like 2 weeks ago and he didnt say they were one, just that they have the talent to be one, which i dont think is that farfetched (despite that being my worst nightmare in all of sports)