New York Giants Discussion

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by NY+Giants=NYG

You have a boy now? Or offense non the less? Hmm, interesting, so does this mean you like offense better than defense? Have you matured BBD?

I want to see how MB does at TE, and Baas. The OL needs to stay healthy and be able to create running lanes for Bradshaw and Wilson. Not sure, I want Ware taking reps from Scott, and Wilson. Let's see how both do, and have Ware just in case.

Nope. Outside of Eli, Nicks and Cruz, I don't really care for offense. Now Randle is growing on me, but that's it.

On defense on the other hand, I pretty much like everybody.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Nope. Outside of Eli, Nicks and Cruz, I don't really care for offense. Now Randle is growing on me, but that's it.

On defense on the other hand, I pretty much like everybody.

Oh, well then. BOOOOOOOOOO! That is all.

[Rosebud]

I really like our RBs. Bradshaw, Wilson and Scott are each really hard runners and each bring different big play ability, Bradshaw with his passing and wisdom, Wilson with his shiftiness and balance, and Scott with his pure speed and viciously straight forward running. I'm still disappointed Mike Adams didn't fall to us in the second round, add him to our OL and our running game would turn into a force by the playoffs. I've warmed up to Randle because he does seem like a great scheme fit, but damn it did I want to come away from this draft with one of Mike Adams or Cordy Glenn.

[bigbluedefense]

Looking at how the roster is shaping up so far, I'd say the biggest needs going into the draft will be:

OT
CB
TE
DE
DT

I think we should draft CB or DE in the first. But if OT looks that bad, we might have to bite the bullet and go OT. Of course, all of this is subject to change.

I've been harping on an eminent roster turnover that will occur on this team 2 years from now, maybe as early as next year, but with how our depth is filling out, it doesn't scare me as much as it used to:

DE: We'll be set with Tuck who will be re-signed and JPP for years to come. And while we'll lose Osi, I think Kiwi will extend for a reasonable price, or if not, we can always draft another one. This doesn't concern me.

DT: Joseph will anchor NT for awhile. We'll lose Canty, and Bernard, so hopefully Austin steps up. I'm sure we'll draft more bodies in the middle rounds as well. Not overly concerned. We don't value DTs as much as other teams.

LB: We'll lose Boley, Chase, Rivers, and possibly Kiwi. But if Herzlich, Williams, and Paysinger keep it up, we won't miss a beat. Our LB core is actually filled with plenty of young talent waiting to take over. So the losses we suffer here are made up for in house already.

CB: Webster will be gone, and so will Thomas. This is an area of concern. How good can Prince be? Let's assume for argument sake he'll be a reliable #2. Now how good can Hosely be? Let's hope he can be a solid #3. That means we'll need to draft a #1 CB. If both those guys disappoint, we might need an overhaul here. That could be potentially a problem. My gut says we'll just need 1 CB though, so we should be fine here as well.

S: We can't keep both Rolle and KP. Plus Rolle is getting old. We'll lose 1 of these 2. If Will Hill can step up to the plate and we can re-sign KP which Im hoping we can, we'll be fine. Again, you gotta give Reese and co a ton of credit for building our depth so we have a lot of replacements in house already.

Offense:

I'll keep it short. Just keep Eli, Nicks, and Cruz. Everyone else is replaceable. We have young talent in the farm system on OL to step up. I think Petrus can eventually start, I like Moseley to eventually replace Snee, Baas is unfortunately here to stay, so really we just need upgrades at OT which I'm sure we'll farm in during the next 2 years. TE...whatever. Who cares. And we have WRs. RBs are easy to find.

So as long as we keep drafting the way we draft, while we'll see a roster turnover soon, I don't think we'll be rebuilding. That's what's so great about having a stud GM.

When you have a stud qb and a stud GM, you'll always be competitive.

[Giantsfan1080]

Pretty much agree with everything there BBD. I favor Paysinger over Jones but I think Jones has had a great camp so far so it might be him who's here to stay.

CB and DE are our biggest needs as we stand today. I really hope we can get deals done soon with the younger 5 guys JPP, Nicks, Cruz, Joseph, and Phillips. My gut says we lose 1 or possibly even 2 of them though.

[Rosebud]

I'll add MLB and S to that list of needs for next year. My only real disagreement is DE, I think we need to spend a quality pick on project in the next two years. Even if we keep JPP, Tuck and Kiwi around for the foreseeable future, the injury questions around the latter two and age of Tuck make me think it's getting to be time to add another huge ceilinged kid into the pipeline.

We could use another top two round DB and a true beast at DE, OT or LB. In the second round we'll probably no longer have a shot at any of the true stud DEs and OTs, so at that point I'd wait and pick up a super raw project later for those spots, and look at DB, DT, TE and LB, since those positions usual hold very good depth into the second round.

[Giantsfan1080]

We did get Osi in the 2nd and Tuck in the 3rd.

[bigbluedefense]

I have a feeling it could be Phillips. I hope not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I also like Paysinger over Jones, but it does sound like Jones is tearing it up so far in camp, so Jones might stick and Paysinger might go. Either way, some team is gonna pick up a quality LB off of our cuts.

Rolle is going to be interesting. Hes a big cap hit, and he's reaching 30. I'm hoping we let go of Rolle and keep Kenny. But we'll see.

JPP and Eli's contracts will determine the rest of these guys. They'll take up a lot of cap moving forward.

[bigbluedefense]

I'm all for drafting a DE in the 1st. It's impossible to say where you can grab one bc you don't know what the DE depth is gonna be like draft to draft, but it's safe to assume that there will be talent there in the 1st.

I generally like taking DEs and DBs in the 1st.

I just hope we can find a solution to both OT positions without having to spend a 1st on a LT. Because that would free us up to invest in the other critical positions and replenish them.

I think we should be able to fill in depth at DE and DB over the next 2 seasons. Which means we have to make the other positions work, including OT.

[Giantsfan1080]

Logan Ryan if he comes out. Book it.

[Forenci]

He sucks doodoo.

[Rosebud]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

We did get Osi in the 2nd and Tuck in the 3rd.

I always forget that Osi was a second and not third round pick, but then again Osi would go in the first if he were coming out this year. And Tuck would be that project pick I was referring to, although with him it was due to injury and rawness, rather than just rawness, but still. You can find pure upside in the 3rd and 4th rounds at DE that's comparable to the guys that usually go round two, they're just further away from it, which isn't a problem for us. The guys who are truly special and stand out from their class on their pure upside go round one, so if we don't get one I'd rather wait a little and get a guy with a similar ceiling, who may need more work, a round or two later

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by Forenci

He sucks doodoo.

Don't you start now Forenci! I still haven't bashed Beatty.

[Forenci]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Don't you start now Forenci! I still haven't bashed Beatty.

Beatty is doodoo too.

#RayRiceistheexception

[Giantsfan1080]

Or Kenny Britt(on the field), McCourty, and so on. Sanu and Ryan are the next best things.

[Forenci]

Kenny Britt is injury plagued and is a horrible human being. McCourty isn't that good. Sanu fell to the third round despite the Rutgers hype machine.

#Rutgersispoopoo

[Giantsfan1080]

I'm not getting into it. #UConnisdiarrhea.

[Forenci]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

I'm not getting into it. #UConnisdiarrhea.

At least I accept we are terrible.

#Rutgersfansindenial

[Jughead10]

Originally Posted by Forenci

At least I accept we are terrible.

#Rutgersfansindenial

Haha. That is very true. Haha.

[Giantsfan1080]

Naa half the fan base hated Schiano at this point and was glad to see him leave. We do have tons of NFL talent on the team though so it's not denial. Let's see if Flood puts it together better.

If Rutgers fans are in denial I don't even know what state to consider ND fans.

[Rosebud]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

If Rutgers fans are in denial I don't even know what state to consider ND fans.

Depression.

[Forenci]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Naa half the fan base hated Schiano at this point and was glad to see him leave. We do have tons of NFL talent on the team though so it's not denial. Let's see if Flood puts it together better.

If Rutgers fans are in denial I don't even know what state to consider ND fans.

Haha, I mainly just poke fun at you guys. I do think it's funny how Rutgers fans actually think it's a good program when they've barely had one or two good season in the past decade despite having so much "talent."

[bigbluedefense]

I liked Schianno. Alot.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by Forenci

Haha, I mainly just poke fun at you guys. I do think it's funny how Rutgers fans actually think it's a good program when they've barely had one or two good season in the past decade despite having so much "talent."

It's more the idea that Rutgers is a sleeping giant 2nd tier program and that we're slowly creeping there since there is tons of potential considering everything. We've had more than 2 good seasons though.

[Forenci]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

It's more the idea that Rutgers is a sleeping giant 2nd tier program and that we're slowly creeping there since there is tons of potential considering everything. We've had more than 2 good seasons though.

You guys have never even won the Big East Championship...