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Old 08-14-2012, 02:57 PM    (permalink
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Miggy doesn't crack my top 3.
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Ya, I didn't include trout over miggy yet, but some def could.

Out of Votto, Trout, Kemp,Braun, and Joey Bats you could make a case that miggy isn't top 3.


SO SUCK IT.
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Ya, I didn't include trout over miggy yet, but some def could.

Out of Votto, Trout, Kemp,Braun, and Joey Bats you could make a case that miggy isn't top 3.


SO SUCK IT.
At no point has Braun ever been a better hitter than Cabby, and Kemp has never been either except the small sample size for this year.
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Imagine if Votto had someone who was a real clean up hitter behind him...or you know, someone who could get on base ahead of him...
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At no point has Braun ever been a better hitter than Cabby, and Kemp has never been either except the small sample size for this year.
so you're saying Votto, Trout and Bautista

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so you're saying Votto, Trout and Bautista

Eh, I conceded to Votto, Bats maybe, and Trout it's too early so I didn't bother to address it.
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You could make the argument that Kemp, Bautista and Votto are all better than Miggy.

I'd say he is def top 5. It just isnt as clear cut as you guys are making it out to be.

Edit- I also forgot about Braun. There are some damn good hitters out there.
Kemp may provide better value due to position and ability to steal, but solely based off the bats, hell no. And no to Braun also.
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Bats isnt close to type of pure hitter than Miggy is.

Right now I go

1) Miggy
2) Votto
3) Kemp

Personal opinion, but I have Miggy on top.
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Bats isnt close to type of pure hitter than Miggy is.

Right now I go

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Personal opinion, but I have Miggy on top.
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Oh he is?

The guy has hit over .260 one time in his career.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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Votto's HR against Moyer.
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Oh he is?

The guy has hit over .260 one time in his career.
Batting average. YAY.

I'd say Derek Jeter is actually the best hitter in baseball his team gets the most wins and championships.
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****, I forgot I cant use batting average when talking about modern day baseball.

You must be canadian if you honestly believe that Bats is a better hitter than Miggy.
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I already got in a debate like this about Tony Gwynn the other day, but Bats and Cabby are neck and neck to me.
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Id say its a coin toss when comparing Bautista and Miggy, but to say Bats isn't close is facepalm worthy.
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****, I forgot I cant use batting average when talking about modern day baseball.

You must be canadian if you honestly believe that Bats is a better hitter than Miggy.
Dont bring Joey into that argument
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Dont bring Joey into that argument
Votto is my number 2. I'm just saying if this guy thinks Bats is a better hitter he has to be Canadian, or a Jays fan....and well, only Canadians are Jays fans.
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Brodeur seems to agree with me and he isnt a Jays fan.
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Votto is my number 2. I'm just saying if this guy thinks Bats is a better hitter he has to be Canadian, or a Jays fan....and well, only Canadians are Jays fans.
Votto is my #1. In baseball and in my heart.
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Brodeur seems to agree with me and he isnt a Jays fan.
Well, he might be out of his mind too. Considering he sees Miggy everyday it surprises me that he thinks that.
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Batting average. YAY.
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You cannot be serious. You're going to dismiss batting average in an argument about who's the best hitter? I get that it's not a great stat to use for MVP and that type of stuff, but batting average is absolutely relevant when arguing who's the best hitter.
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You cannot be serious. You're going to dismiss batting average in an argument about who's the best hitter? I get that it's not a great stat to use for MVP and that type of stuff, but batting average is absolutely relevant when arguing who's the best hitter.
And you are dismissing wins and championships? YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME.



PS. Use OPS instead of BA.
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And you are dismissing wins and championships? YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME.



PS. Use OPS instead of BA.
None of that is relevant for determining the best hitter. I'm fully aware of OPS, but on base percentage is no factor for best hitter. Now, If the question was best offensive player you'd have a point.
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One time in his career his OPS has been higher than Miggy's. Never hit for a better average, Miggy drives in more runs....the only thing Bats has on him is jacks.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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None of that is relevant for determining the best hitter. I'm fully aware of OPS, but on base percentage is no factor for best hitter. Now, If the question was best offensive player you'd have a point.


What da fuq?

How is plate discipline not part of hitting?
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