Professional Wrestling Thread - Page 411

Rob S · 08-19-2012, 07:24 PM

That was the best Lion Tamer in quite some time. Ziggler was totally vertical.

LTgiants · 08-19-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob S

That was the best Lion Tamer in quite some time. Ziggler was totally vertical.

That is the first time in years Jericho finished a match with the Walls/Lion Tamer.

bearsfan_51 · 08-19-2012, 09:06 PM

Summerslam isn't bad, but these guys are so overexposed that nothing feels special anymore. At least we haven't seen Lesnar-HHH 300 times already.

Rob S · 08-19-2012, 09:31 PM

They have to chill with these kimuras and brawl....

bearsfan_51 · 08-19-2012, 09:47 PM

Good match, nothing special, but Lesnar is different enough that he holds my attention.

BigDawg819 · 08-19-2012, 11:26 PM

I stipulate that I did not watch Summerslam and have only at best casually kept an eye on RAW recently.

With that said, I wonder where the company is headed. SummerSlam was once a staple PPV, and now with this year's version just taking place is that sentiment still holding true?

Both the WWE Title and the World Heavyweight Titles were defended and yet a "Brawl" between a basically retired performer and a guy who's own instabilities can never be trusted was the center stage. This constant trend of bringing back the likes of HHH, HBK, and The Rock harkens back to the day when those same men ranted and raved about the same thing being done to them.

Even as much as I personally love watching Chris Jericho back with the WWE, putting him over Dolph Ziggler seems shortsided.

Maybe I just got old and want what I had in my "day", ie the "Attitude Era".

PACKmanN · 08-19-2012, 11:42 PM

I think the wwe is missing some well-built, long lasting rivals among superstars. These short lived, quick type of fights built just long enough for the coming pPv are weak.

Create history. Make historic feuds. Those are what made the fan of the attutide era so into what they saw. It looked and felt real

jballa838 · 08-19-2012, 11:44 PM

This company will never take the next step when CM Punk is continually overshadowed by the same guys. The show ended with HHH doing the george michael bluth sad walk up the ramp and not anyone who is relevant to today's WWE. For everything they do right (Cesaro getting US title) they seem to take steps back, equally.

BigDawg819 · 08-20-2012, 12:17 AM

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I think the wwe is missing some well-built, long lasting rivals among superstars. These short lived, quick type of fights built just long enough for the coming pPv are weak.

Create history. Make historic feuds. Those are what made the fan of the attutide era so into what they saw. It looked and felt real

That's the ticket right there.

But where are they? Randy Orton should be among the leaders of this company going forward, yet with multiple suspensions can they trust him?

CM Punk is in the midst of one of the longest title reigns in the company, yet lets face it we all know its only a matter of time before they give it back to Cena.

Ziggler, Bryan, Swagger (if we can even consider him anymore) are any of these guys going to be given the opportunity to shoulder the load?

Hell I'd even settle for the IC & US Belts being relevant and stepping stones again in the short term.

Splat · 08-20-2012, 09:12 AM

WWE 13 roster.

Modern Era WWE Superstars & Divas

Alberto Del Rio
Big Show
Booker T
Brock Lesnar
Brodus Clay
Chris Jericho
Christian
Cody Rhodes
Daniel Bryan
David Otunga
Dolph Ziggler
Edge
The Great Khali
Heath Slater
Hunico
Jack Swagger
JBL
John Cena (The Doctor of Thuganomics)
John Laurinaitis
Justin Gabriel
Kane
Kevin Nash
Kofi Kingston
Mark Henry
The Miz
Primo
Randy Orton
John Cena
Rey Mysterio
The Rock
R-Truth
Santino Marella
Sheamus
Sin Cara
Epico
Ted DiBiase
Triple H
The Undertaker
Jinder Mahal
Wade Barrett
Zack Ryder
Alicia Fox
Beth Phoenix
Brie Bella
Eve
Kelly Kelly
Kharma
Nikki Bella
Lita
AJ Lee (RAW General Manager)
CM Punk

Attitude Era WWE Superstars

Road Warrior Animal
Big Boss Man
Billy Gunn
Bradshaw (APA)
Bret Hart
British Bulldog
Cactus Jack
Chris Jericho (Y2J)
Christian (Edge & Christian)
Dude Love
Eddie Guerrero
Edge (Edge & Christian)
Faarooq (APA)
The Godfather
Road Warrior Hawk
Hunter Heart Helmsley
Kane
Ken Shamrock
Mankind
Mark Henry (Nation of Domination)
Mike Tyson
Mr. McMahon
"The Big Show" Paul Wight
Road Dogg Jesse James
The Rock
Shane McMahon
Shawn Michaels (D-Generation X)
Triple H (D-Generation X)
The Undertaker (The Lord of Darkness)
Vader
X-Pac
Lita (Attitude Era)
Stephanie McMahon (The Billion Dollar Princess)
Trish Stratus
"Stone Cold" Steve Austin

bearsfan_51 · 08-20-2012, 10:22 AM

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CM Punk is in the midst of one of the longest title reigns in the company, yet lets face it we all know its only a matter of time before they give it back to Cena.

I don't understand the point of this comment. Cena is their most popular and marketable star. Should they never give him the title again?

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Ziggler, Bryan, Swagger (if we can even consider him anymore) are any of these guys going to be given the opportunity to shoulder the load?

Swagger was given an opportunity and he more or less failed. Bryan was giving a decent title run and is still a prominent feature of their shows. I'm not sure what your point is here either. Should they have had Daniel Bryan vs. Jack Swagger as the main event as Summerslam?

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Hell I'd even settle for the IC & US Belts being relevant and stepping stones again in the short term.

Yes, they've clearly given up on the idea that any of the belts matter other than the two world titles. That's unfortunate.

georgiafan · 08-20-2012, 11:20 AM

hate how they have so many wrestlers taking up several spots like Mark Henry, HHH, Christian, Mankind etc.

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WWE 13 roster.

Modern Era WWE Superstars & Divas

Alberto Del Rio
Big Show
Booker T
Brock Lesnar
Brodus Clay
Chris Jericho
Christian
Cody Rhodes
Daniel Bryan
David Otunga
Dolph Ziggler
Edge
The Great Khali
Heath Slater
Hunico
Jack Swagger
JBL
John Cena (The Doctor of Thuganomics)
John Laurinaitis
Justin Gabriel
Kane
Kevin Nash
Kofi Kingston
Mark Henry
The Miz
Primo
Randy Orton
John Cena
Rey Mysterio
The Rock
R-Truth
Santino Marella
Sheamus
Sin Cara
Epico
Ted DiBiase
Triple H
The Undertaker
Jinder Mahal
Wade Barrett
Zack Ryder
Alicia Fox
Beth Phoenix
Brie Bella
Eve
Kelly Kelly
Kharma
Nikki Bella
Lita
AJ Lee (RAW General Manager)
CM Punk

Attitude Era WWE Superstars

Road Warrior Animal
Big Boss Man
Billy Gunn
Bradshaw (APA)
Bret Hart
British Bulldog
Cactus Jack
Chris Jericho (Y2J)
Christian (Edge & Christian)
Dude Love
Eddie Guerrero
Edge (Edge & Christian)
Faarooq (APA)
The Godfather
Road Warrior Hawk
Hunter Heart Helmsley
Kane
Ken Shamrock
Mankind
Mark Henry (Nation of Domination)
Mike Tyson
Mr. McMahon
"The Big Show" Paul Wight
Road Dogg Jesse James
The Rock
Shane McMahon
Shawn Michaels (D-Generation X)
Triple H (D-Generation X)
The Undertaker (The Lord of Darkness)
Vader
X-Pac
Lita (Attitude Era)
Stephanie McMahon (The Billion Dollar Princess)
Trish Stratus
"Stone Cold" Steve Austin

Brodeur · 08-20-2012, 12:04 PM

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Swagger was given an opportunity and he more or less failed.

No, he wasn't. He beat Orton but then Big Show made him look like utter garbage.

bearsfan_51 · 08-20-2012, 02:09 PM

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No, he wasn't. He beat Orton but then Big Show made him look like utter garbage.

He won MITB and then the world title. I'd say that's a decent push. Putting him as a heel against the Big Show as a face is probably not a good idea, since it made him look chicken ****. That said, he still couldn't draw that much heat.

I used to love Swagger, but I'm not sure what the argument is now that he's a main event type guy.

Vikings4ever · 08-20-2012, 02:15 PM

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Even as much as I personally love watching Chris Jericho back with the WWE, putting him over Dolph Ziggler seems shortsided.

I'm OK with Y2J winning.

He hadn't won a PPV match since he came back. He's been putting people over, he needed to be put over.

Ziggler has the MITB case, this loss isn't going to stop his momentum.

With Y2J set to be leaving soon, Ziggler can "injure" him soon (tonight?), keep his momentum going, and set up a feud with Jericho returns.

comahan · 08-20-2012, 02:48 PM

Im 10000% okay with HHH/Lesnar headlining over the WWE Title, especially a meaningless triple threat with Big Show involved. If it was just Punk/Cena, itd be more of a question, but Big Show's presence completely murdered my interest in that match, and killed any real hope of it being great. Plus, it adds to Punk's pursuit of respect, now he can ***** about not getting the main event slot when the WWE Title should always be the top match.

Anyhoo, what would you guys want to see from Lesnar? Lets assume he works Survivor Series, the Royal Rumble, and WrestleMania. What would you want him to do at each of those shows?

LTgiants · 08-20-2012, 03:06 PM

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Im 10000% okay with HHH/Lesnar headlining over the WWE Title, especially a meaningless triple threat with Big Show involved. If it was just Punk/Cena, itd be more of a question, but Big Show's presence completely murdered my interest in that match, and killed any real hope of it being great. Plus, it adds to Punk's pursuit of respect, now he can ***** about not getting the main event slot when the WWE Title should always be the top match.

Anyhoo, what would you guys want to see from Lesnar? Lets assume he works Survivor Series, the Royal Rumble, and WrestleMania. What would you want him to do at each of those shows?

I would probably have Brock

Wrestle HHH at Survivor Series

Find a way to enter the Rock/CM Punk WWE title match at the RR.

Undertaker at WM.

OSUGiants17 · 08-20-2012, 03:10 PM

Lesnar is currently a heavy favorite to win the Rumble and it would most likely set up Rock vs Brock at Mania. That would be alright I guess. Personally, I would love to see him face Taker at 'Mania for the streak and take on Punk at Survivor Series or join the RR match with Punk/Rock.

comahan · 08-20-2012, 03:41 PM

What I think would make for a good story is this: Lesnar has taken out both Shawn Michaels and Triple H already, breaking the arms of both. So now, he sets his sights on the third and final part of the "end of an era" threesome, The Undertaker.

Now, the one single match that I want above all others right now is Cena/Taker at WrestleMania, preferably in an I Quit Match to add drama as Cena NEVER quits. So I'd do the Lesnar/Taker match before Mania. If Taker were up to it (because who knows his status), id headline Survivor Series with Lesnar/Taker, with Brock going over.

From there, Brock goes on to the Rumble, where he is eliminated by Sheamus (who is no longer World Champion, Ziggler would be). Brock then absolutely murders Sheamus, costing him his chance at winning the Rumble. That leads to Brock/Sheamus at WrestleMania. I'm not the biggest fan of how Sheamus has been booked, but if theyre going to give him a super-face push, then you might as well go all in on it. Put him over Brock at WrestleMania and make yourself a new top guy.

That leaves the WWE Title, which Rock would win at the Rumble, preferably from Cena to get that inevitable rematch out of the way. Then id have Punk win the Rumble match and challenge Rock for the belt, beating him at WrestleMania to take his belt back.

Taker/Cena I Quit
Rock/Punk WWE Title
Sheamus/Lesnar

Those would be your top 3 WrestleMania matches, perhaps with Orton or a returning Jericho or maybe even Triple H to take on Ziggler and help get him to the next level with a World title defense. The only major problem I have with this is that Rock would be up 2-0 on Cena, but I suppose they could hook up for a third (and final) time at SummerSlam next year in some sort of gimmick match that sees Cena finally get the win.

Vikings4ever · 08-20-2012, 09:52 PM

Surprised to see Dolph go over Y2J cleanly.

I suppose it does make Ziggler look stronger, but he would have gotten so much more heat if he'd beaten Jericho by cheating.

Splat · 08-21-2012, 08:08 AM

What a crappy send off for Jericho. He didn't even talk and Cole was dissing him the whole time.

BloodBrother · 08-21-2012, 09:44 AM

Yeah what the hell? Then, when he was soaking up th emoment a bit on the ramp, they just cut from that to show the trailer for WWE Studios new movie

georgiafan · 08-21-2012, 10:25 AM

Wher is Jericho going?

Splat · 08-21-2012, 10:33 AM

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Wher is Jericho going?

On tour with his band Fozzy.

WMD · 08-21-2012, 11:55 AM

So next week's Raw will have Daniel Bryan going to ANGER MANAGEMENT classes, and some kind of Punk/Lawler showdown. How very exciting. I hope it entertains the Social Media ambassador.