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View Poll Results: Who's gonna be the best of these QB's when all is said and done?
Josh Freeman, Bucs 59 15.09%
Matthew Stafford, Lions 125 31.97%
Sam Bradford, Rams 76 19.44%
Mark Sanchez, Jets 19 4.86%
Joe Flacco, Ravens 33 8.44%
Matt Ryan, Falcons 79 20.20%
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:50 PM    (permalink
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If the falcons are pretty average this year, would you stay with Matt Ryan or start thinking of possibly upgrading?

I think he's hit his peak and while he's a decent qb I don't know if he'll ever reach that elite status.
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I think we will go as Ryan goes.

If we fail this year I believe Coach Smith should be fired.
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If the falcons are pretty average this year, would you stay with Matt Ryan or start thinking of possibly upgrading?

I think he's hit his peak and while he's a decent qb I don't know if he'll ever reach that elite status.
Matt Ryan is a better than average starting NFL QB. A lock top 15. You don't replace guys like that, you build teams around them that don't require the QB to be a superman.

If the Falcons make the playoffs, that excludes them from being 'pretty average'.
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I think there should be another version of this thread made after this year if it weren't for the overwhelming support that Luck would get. It would be interesting with all of the rookie and 2nd year starters.
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Bradford looked skittish and nervous again, not sure what people are still seeing in him. But let's pile on the excuses again though. Look at the pocket presence that RGIII and Luck possess in their game, then watch Bradford. It's like night and day between them.
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Bradford looked skittish and nervous again, not sure what people are still seeing in him. But let's pile on the excuses again though. Look at the pocket presence that RGIII and Luck possess in their game, then watch Bradford. It's like night and day between them.
And that's something you really can't teach. If you have it, it's a huge asset if not, then it becomes a problem especially if that internal clock is off, and you're holding on to the ball too long.

I feel like they drafted a QB but failed to put the proper pieces around him, and failed to bring some sort of stability in terms of coaching.
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Bradford does look a bit shellshocked, but he's really been lit up in his short pro career. He also doesn't have either Luck's or RGIII's mobility to evade pressure.

If the Rams want Bradford to be successful, he needs to be protected.
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I agree on the weapons and surrounding pieces, no doubt. The tackles keep busting, they let Jason Brown walk on the interior, has yet to be a WR or TE worth a damn there. But you still don't see that type of pocket presence the great QB's have. If a rusher gets loose on his blind side he's going to destroy him. While some QB's can step up into it(Luck had a good recent example of this on the TY Hilton TD yesterday), some can spin back out of it(Tony Romo does this all the time, most recently yesterday on the first Dwayne Harris TD), and some can just anticipate the rush in general and know to get rid of the ball quickly.



I just don't see it with Bradford, if he gets a quick 3 step drop he can make an accurate throw, if you give him time and a pocket he'll put the ball on a rope, but he's not supposed to be the type of QB who needs a perfect line across the board to succeed.


How long has Jay Cutler had a revolving door for an offensive line again? Yet he still can manipulate the pocket, step up and stick every single throw. We are talking about the #1 overall pick here. I get that the line needs improvements, but the great QB's make that line look 10x better then what it does.
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Bradford does look a bit shellshocked, but he's really been lit up in his short pro career. He also doesn't have either Luck's or RGIII's mobility to evade pressure.

If the Rams want Bradford to be successful, he needs to be protected.
The Rams need tackles - Saffold and Smith are garbage - I don't even think Smith is a starter anymore. How he is still in the league is beyond me. The Rams surprised alot of people by not addressing the O-Line until the 4th round during the draft. Granted they were a bad all around team but they could of got Riley Reiff instead of Brockers to protect their franchse QB.
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I agree on the weapons and surrounding pieces, no doubt. The tackles keep busting, they let Jason Brown walk on the interior, has yet to be a WR or TE worth a damn there.
You bring up some good points, but I wanted to touch on this one.

Jason Brown was pretty bad in his final year in St. Louis (PFF's 22nd ranked center), and I don't believe he's been signed by anyone else since being released back in March.

They would appear to have upgraded by bringing in Scott Wells (who only saw the field for the first time yesterday), but Jeff Fisher put his faith in Saffold and Smith (the latter of whom has been benched for Barry Richardson) and did little to address a gaping hole at left guard.

This after saying protecting Bradford was going to be one of his top offensive priorities. Fans have been screaming about a lack of weapons for three seasons now, and Fisher was hoping to land Blackmon with the sixth pick but the Jags jumped him. Only time will tell if Brian Quick and Chris Givens can help this unit, or if they're more of what they already have.

I tend to agree with some of the points you're making though; at some point, you expect a "franchise" type quarterback drafted first overall to overcome adversity and not require everything around him to be working as intended in order to succeed. As a Rams fan, watching Romo spin out of pressure, reset, and then hit receivers on the money down the field... Sam simply doesn't display that kind of pocket presence and mobility at this point.
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The stat sheet was pretty bad tonight for Bradford. But once I got to see the replay on NFLN, I came away not nearly as concerned about him as the stats would imply.

Here's what I saw tonight:

Slant to Gibson - good pass, called play, no progression involved.

Kendricks - drop

Sack - Bradford stepped up in the pocket twice and kept his eyes downfield. Couldn't see the coverage, Bradford probably held it too long.

Kendricks - good throw

Kendricks - went right through his hands but it was double coverage. Only play all night that I recall Bradford forcing it into coverage but it was 3rd and 13 and I liked that he went for it instead of taking a safe 3 yard pass that would come up short.

Smith - catchable pass, got two hands on it but it could have been a better pass.

Sack - pressure from up the middle and all around jailbreak.

Gibson - ball way overthrown but Bradford was hit as he was throwing.

Amendola - good pass, Bradford stepped up into pocket, hit as he threw
Smith - ball overthrown, Bradford hit as he threw

Richardson - drop, pass was catchable but could have been better. Bradford slipped a little on his drop, stepped up to avoid pressure, hit as he threw.

Richardson - good pass

Smith - good pass, looked right came back to Smith.

Pead - quick pressure up the middle, swing pass was rushed and could have been better, Pead might have ran a lazy route.

Amendola - drop, DA had to reach back for it but Bradford seemed to think he was going to sit in the soft spot, where he threw it, but DA ran in and then arrowed back out. Not sure which read was right but they weren't on the same page.

Pettis - drop. Ball was thrown high where only Pettis could get it at the front corner of the end zone, he got two hands on it and it clanked right off his hands.

McNeil - good pass.

Richardson - drop.

Smith - looked like a catchable ball. Smith got tripped out of his break at the back of the end zone but it he stays in stride, it looked like he would have had position on the DB. Bradford might have led Smith a tad more for a better location but it was hard to tell with him stumbling and falling.

All in all, there wasn't too much "red" and a couple of those aren't even things that are worrisome to me. Like the pass to Gibson that was way over his head. It wasn't a bad read and that isn't something that Bradford usually struggles with. Even the double coverage throw to Kendricks was, IMO, a good decision even though it was into double coverage. Tony Gonzalez catches that ball for a first down. Kendricks has it whistle through his hands.

I think it's important to consider that the Rams weren't really running their offense tonight. No rollouts, no SJ, not much of anything really for the first unit. They didn't even play the 1's into the third quarter. A little strange for the 3rd preseason game and such a young team with a new offense being installed.

Kind of surprising to me that Fisher is "hiding" the offense but it really seems to be what he's doing. That, and trying to keep everyone healthy.

A little off the Bradford topic, Richardson is the better backup RB at this point. Pead can earn his keep on KR, but he is nothing more than a 3rd down specialist at best right now at RB.

Bradford didn't shine by any means but he didn't have nearly as bad a night as his stats show. Showed some nice accuracy on some intermediate throws and from what I can recall, threw almost exclusively to receivers with 1 on 1 coverage. He may not look like he's looking the defense off very often but he always picks the guy with the favorable matchup.

Lastly, Fisher must be confident in Bradford considering he's only had him throw the ball 35 times in 3 games this preseason. For a QB learning a new system, that seems inadequate to me. For example, by comparison, Andrew Luck has thrown it 64 times in 3 games this preseason. I hope Fisher is right and that Bradford doesn't need the work because it certainly seems like he isn't getting many reps.
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I agree on the weapons and surrounding pieces, no doubt. The tackles keep busting, they let Jason Brown walk on the interior, has yet to be a WR or TE worth a damn there. But you still don't see that type of pocket presence the great QB's have. If a rusher gets loose on his blind side he's going to destroy him. While some QB's can step up into it(Luck had a good recent example of this on the TY Hilton TD yesterday), some can spin back out of it(Tony Romo does this all the time, most recently yesterday on the first Dwayne Harris TD), and some can just anticipate the rush in general and know to get rid of the ball quickly.

I just don't see it with Bradford, if he gets a quick 3 step drop he can make an accurate throw, if you give him time and a pocket he'll put the ball on a rope, but he's not supposed to be the type of QB who needs a perfect line across the board to succeed.

How long has Jay Cutler had a revolving door for an offensive line again? Yet he still can manipulate the pocket, step up and stick every single throw. We are talking about the #1 overall pick here. I get that the line needs improvements, but the great QB's make that line look 10x better then what it does.
The Rams have crap to work with. Yeah, Cutler had a revolving door at OL, and in 2009 led the NFL in interceptions with 26, plus 4 fumbles, with a QB rating of 76.
2010, 16 interceptions and 9 fumbles.
2011, he got hurt behind that OL.

The Rams OL is arguably the worst in the NFL. Plus, little talent at WR and TE hurts. They need Quick to step up big time IMO.

If Bradford struggles again this year, I think his time will be up though and he will have to fight for his job next year.
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As someone who was critical of Bradford after last weekend's game against Dallas, I have to say that I thought he looked outstanding tonight. Sure, it was against second team defenders, but that doesn't change the fact that he displayed the kind of fundamentals and pocket awareness that fans questioned less than a week ago. Hopefully he's able to build on this with the regular season just around the corner.
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Bradford is arguably the most interesting case in the NFL right now. Still not sure what to make of him personally and opinions are all over the board. But I don't think he's challenged for the job next year unless Fisher really dislikes what he sees this year. I think if he doesn't take a step forward this year the new coaching staff can still respectively attribute it to his supporting cast and give him one more year.

I really want to say his time is almost up, but theres always the case of Alex Smith....and Bradford has a lot more talent. That being said, I was really never a Bradford guy and he's starting to look more like a rich man's Landry Jones, who I have no hope for at the next level whatsoever..

This thread becomes more interesting each year. Flacco is buried in the poll, but he's to me head and shoulders the 3rd best QB on the list right now behind Stafford and Ryan.

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Well Fisher wanted Matt Leinart. He got matt leinart lol
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Bradford has a weak arm. I don't think there is room for debate.
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He doesn't have a cannon, but his arm is far from weak.
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Bradford has an adequate NFL arm. It's not weak, but he's no Stafford.
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Bradford needs to take that next step.
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Only play of the Rams game I saw today was Bradford woefully under-throwing a wide open receiver deep. Made me think of this thread.
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and all of the sudden...

1) Ryan
2) Sanchez
3) Stafford
4) Freeman
5) Bradford
12421425) Flacco (he had ZERO yards today!)

Ah, Week 1.
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1. Stafford
2. Ryan
3. Flacco
4. Freeman
5. Sanchez
6. Bradford
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I think everybody's list would still have Stafford at top, followed by Ryan/Flacco, followed by Sanchez/Bradford/Freeman.
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1. Stafford
2. Ryan
3. Flacco
4. Freeman
5. Sanchez
6. Bradford
Proving my point haha. This is my list as well, although I could see Freeman rising up.
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I think everybody's list would still have Stafford at top, followed by Ryan/Flacco, followed by Sanchez/Bradford/Freeman.
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