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Old 08-11-2012, 07:20 PM    (permalink
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Oakland?

You guys obviously haven't paid close attention to the new regime in town. One of the last teams that would take a chance on the guy.
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i bet a lot of the people calling him overrated have never actually watched the guy play.
This is an NFL draft message board dude. I'd be willing to be that literally everyone here watched LSU multiple times last season.
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He's definitely overrated as a prospect, but with the way the NFL is set up for offenses to succeed nowadays, the only way to get stops most of the time is turnovers. Offenses are too good to expect to just stop drives by things like 3 and out's, etc. The name of the game now is takeaways, and like him or not that's what this kid does. Winning the turnover battle is more important than ever now.

He shouldn't be a starter because again with the WR's nowadays he'd get destroyed, but as a playmaker/slot/returner he should be a 3rd-4th round pick. He will score a couple touchdowns and create a few turnovers that could be the difference in going 10-6 or 8-8. Plus, he'd probably bring up the attitude of the team a bit, although the NFL is obviously different from college.

If he's there in the 3rd and I need a corner or a playmaker i'm running to the podium.
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Old 08-12-2012, 11:07 AM    (permalink
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He's definitely overrated as a prospect, but with the way the NFL is set up for offenses to succeed nowadays, the only way to get stops most of the time is turnovers. Offenses are too good to expect to just stop drives by things like 3 and out's, etc. The name of the game now is takeaways, and like him or not that's what this kid does. Winning the turnover battle is more important than ever now.

He shouldn't be a starter because again with the WR's nowadays he'd get destroyed, but as a playmaker/slot/returner he should be a 3rd-4th round pick. He will score a couple touchdowns and create a few turnovers that could be the difference in going 10-6 or 8-8. Plus, he'd probably bring up the attitude of the team a bit, although the NFL is obviously different from college.

If he's there in the 3rd and I need a corner or a playmaker i'm running to the podium.
Have to disagree with the offenses being too good - the rule changes heavily favor the offense which is why the game is seeing video game numbers in the passing game.

Mathieu would be a good nickel/4th CB playing mostly in zone defense IMO. He does make plays but his size will hurt him - he will not be able to cover the huge tight ends and will struggle if having to play man vs. bigger WRs.
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How are you still on the team after failing 3 drug tests? You would think a guy is long gone after 4 or 5 failed drug tests.
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How are you still on the team after failing 3 drug tests? You would think a guy is long gone after 4 or 5 failed drug tests.
lsu beat writer says it's at least 4 failed tests to be kicked off the team at lsu
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This is where I stand on Mathieu as well. Before this I saw him as a late first early second type guy who would be a great addition to an already good defense. He doesn't give you traditional man cover skills that you look for in a number 1 corner, but he gives you unreal ability in terms of ball-hawking, physicality in run support, and return skills. In a lot of ways that combination is equally as rare as man cover skills. This absolutely murders his stock to the point where I think his ceiling is the 3rd round at the absolute highest even with a great combine, but it would not surprise me one bit to see him succeed in the NFL provided he can stay out of trouble.
This is exactly how I feel about him. Might make a really good safety, using him to man up is a huge waste of his talent.
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Mathieu is sitting out the 2012 season and entering rehab
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Mathieu is sitting out the 2012 season and entering rehab
Best thing he can do for his draft stock.

No matter what, certain teams won't have him on their big board or consider him to be a draftable prospect based on character concerns. There was nothing he could do to change their mind. But this move shows teams that are potentially interested that maybe he learned his lesson and now he is taking the necessary steps to rectify the issue.

Being a full season removed from football might be brought up as a negative, but Mathieu going out and dominating the Southland conference at McNeese State isn't much of a positive either. The sum of his LSU film will be how he is viewed.
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weed rehab? lmao
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This is an NFL draft message board dude. I'd be willing to be that literally everyone here watched LSU multiple times last season.
you would be surprised how many people just repeat things they hear on prospects without actually watching them play.

i just dont understand how he's overrated. literally, nobody(in terms of draft experts) is rating him high as a prospect. but, as a college football player, he's definitely one of the best. besides RGIII, mathieu was the biggest difference maker in the nation last season.
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eh, hes a good return man and has a knack for punching/stripping the ball. Being a difference maker doesnt make you a good pro prospect no matter how impactful you are

see: Tebow, Timothy
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He's a solid strong safety prospect and provides considerable upside on special teams. There's the question marks with weed but he's at least taken the necessary step to admit that he may have an issue. I feel he's still a late 2nd-3rd round prospect.
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There are rumor (and if he's entering rehab, probably some truth to them) that it was cocaine.
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see: Tebow, Timothy
eh, like i said nobody (including myself) is rating him high as a prospect. again, AS A COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYER, Mathieu is one of the best.
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I'm glad somebodye agrees with me on him. I think he is highly overrated. He's good, but he would not have half this hype if his nickname wasn't Honey Badger.

Some people hyped him as a possible first round pick. But the fact is he is an undersized tweener who doesn't have great speed. I thought his ceiling was a slot corner. With all these issues, he's a 4th or 5th rounder in my eyes.
This makes it hard to even take your post serious. But yea, I'm sure all his hype comes from a nickname, not creating turnovers or scoring on returns in big games. He might be overrated in a bunch of crowds, but people like you make an even stronger case for him being underrated when you say stuff like that. I guess we should just ignore all the impact plays he made in huge games and focus on a nickname though.
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With some work, he can probably be a serviceable slot corner in the nickel in the NFL (which is a starting position on some teams), but there's not a lot I really like there. Technique trumps everything in DB play, and more than anything else his technique is sloppy.

He was already a love/hate prospect, and I don't think that recent events are going to make anybody love him any more.

I'd take him in the fourth though, but not earlier.
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Apparently he's not going to play football at all in 2012, which means that declaring for the 2013 draft is unlikely.
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Apparently he's not going to play football at all in 2012, which means that declaring for the 2013 draft is unlikely.
Until he realizes that he has no money to buy weed and declares anyways...
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Until he realizes that he has no money to buy weed and declares anyways...
I think one of the reasons he's taking a year off is to kick the drug habit, so good for him. I'm not sure if "sitting out a year" is really going to help his draft stock much, and being drafted on day 3 won't buy you that much weed.
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Mathieu's knack for being in the right place at the right time is something that can't be taught. His instincts kind of remind me of Polamalu, but he would be a severely undersized safety.

Also, wasn't his suspension last year a result of K2? That's what I had heard, no idea if its true or not. If it is, that is a significantly worse issue than weed.
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Also, wasn't his suspension last year a result of K2? That's what I had heard, no idea if its true or not. If it is, that is a significantly worse issue than weed.
I don't even know what that is, so either it's a really big deal, or not that big a deal at all.
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I don't even know what that is, so either it's a really big deal, or not that big a deal at all.
Its a mountain in the Himalayas. Supposed to be quite difficult, more so than Everest.

(It also a name for synthetic marijuana, with potentially serious side effects.)
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