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Old 08-27-2012, 02:39 PM    (permalink
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Didn't read any of it besides the 1st couple of sentences and you are delusional if you don't think UFC a american champion. Anyways


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Dana White is so pissed at Jones because he tried to get away with putting on a ****** undercard yet still bring in the money because of the main event. It was absolutely, ridiculously arrogant of him and it backfired.

Now I understand why people are upset at Jones for not taking the fight. He could have taken the fight, won easily and moved on. This is the fan approach. It is the same fans who ***** and moan about paying full price to go to preseason games and the same fans who ***** and moan when players get hurt in preseason games.

Regardless of what people may say, this fight did absolutely nothing for Jones' career.

If he wins easy then he gets no credit because he was supposed to
If he wins a close decision then people start talking about maybe he isn't as good as we thought
If he loses then it puts his career back a number of years

Jon Jones did not cancel this event. He helped put a nail in the coffin, but Dana White killed this thing by not having any sort of contingency plan
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Didn't read any of it besides the 1st couple of sentences and you are delusional if you don't think UFC a american champion.
Please explain to me how Iím delusional.

Right now, the UFC has four foreign fighters that are champions of their division in Aldo, GSP, Anderson, and JDS. All of them are popular in the United States. Itís not like these fighters donít draw and then Ben Henderson shows up and crushes their numbers because heís an American titleholder and stuff. Again, the UFC product has a domestic stranglehold on their competition. The next phase of growth for them is globalizing their brand and penetrating untapped foreign markets. That doesnít necessitate American champions. Because people overseas donít care about an American being pushed down their throat. Is it a source of pride for some of the jingoistic, flag-waving MMA meatheads? I donít know. I suppose it might be. But guess what? The UFC has their business as it is and it is going nowhere. Those people arenít their target demographic for further expansion.

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Dana White is so pissed at Jones because he tried to get away with putting on a ****** undercard yet still bring in the money because of the main event. It was absolutely, ridiculously arrogant of him and it backfired.
This is where we can find some common ground. With the number of cards the UFC tries to pump out, I think Dana and the Fertitta brothers run these kind of risks and face the prospect of oversaturating themselves. This event was based around the strength of the headliner alone and the UFC didnít add much else to the main card because the UFC doesnít have enough main card-caliber fighters to promote the amount of cards on their calendar. I wouldnít be against a small scaling back of the number of cards if it meant greater depth for existing cards.

UFC 150 was considered a weak event. Without Bones and Henderson, UFC 151 was quite weak, too. But, if both cards were combined, the situation wouldnít be near as bleak. You would have two championship bouts at the top of the card and then a run of matches that shouldnít be main events or co-main events, but are still solid, intriguing fights capable of opening a PPV. And itís a much stronger card as a result.

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Now I understand why people are upset at Jones for not taking the fight. He could have taken the fight, won easily and moved on. This is the fan approach. It is the same fans who ***** and moan about paying full price to go to preseason games and the same fans who ***** and moan when players get hurt in preseason games.
Iím not either of those people, and Iím irritated Jones didnít take the fight.

Preseason games are marketed as tune-ups for the regular season. This was an anticipated championship bout under the bright lights of Las Vegas. The stakes couldnít have been higher. And, like injuries are a part of football, the unpredictable element is a part of mixed martial arts. Upsets happen and fighters donít remain undefeated. Jones declined the fight because he was worried about his preparations. So the fear of being uncomfortable or losing motivated him to back down. That more or less sums up the general sentiment around here. How ridiculous is that notion? Itís the fight game. The fight game isnít a controlled environment and isnít immune to something surprising happening. You know what, Jon? A.) The UFC doesnít exist for the purpose of making Jon Jones feel 100% comfortable, champion or not. And B.) Jon Jones is no more entitled to pampering, champion or not.

Yushin Okami is at a delicate point in his career, too. Heís an aging fighter coming off back-to-back losses with one more push left at this point. At UFC 150, he was supposed to fight Luiz Cane. A dangerous striker. Cane got hurt. The UFC replaced him with Rousimar Palhares. A dangerous jiu-jitsu practitioner. Palhares got hurt. The UFC replaced him on short notice with Buddy Roberts. An unknown fighters with one promotional bout under his belt. Did Okami feel super comfortable fighting Roberts? I would guess not and Iím sure he was aware of the consequences of fighting him. If he beat Roberts, as expected, he wouldnít move up much in the ranks, if it all. If he lost to Roberts, he would plummet even further down the middleweight ladder. Or might even be cut from the UFC altogether. Knowing all of that, did he decide to decline the fight? Nope.

Granted, Okami isnít the crossover star that Jones is. But it illustrates that what the UFC asked of Jones wasnít ridiculous. Itís commonplace for things like this to happen. Itís never been a huge deal until now.

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Regardless of what people may say, this fight did absolutely nothing for Jones' career.
Heís almost cleared out the LHW division. What does he expect? How did fighting Dan Hardy advance GSPís career? How did fighting Patrick Cote advance Andersonís career?

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If he wins easy then he gets no credit because he was supposed to
See the two above examples. Or some of B.J. Pennís defenses during his prime. Or some of Aldoís recent defenses. Dominant champions clean out their divisions and sometimes have to fight someone that doesnít belong in the Octagon with them because fresh blood is needed.

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If he wins a close decision then people start talking about maybe he isn't as good as we thought
Then go out there and prove it and throttle Chael. Or use a close decision to fuel the fire in the next fight.

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If he loses then it puts his career back a number of years
Disagree here. It sets him back a few months. If Chael beat Bones, the UFC wouldíve scheduled an immediate rematch. Chael wouldíve become an even bigger loudmouth with an even bigger platform and the UFC wouldnít have been able to resist the temptation of a fallen championís road to redemption after his belt was taken from him in a Serra-esque stunner. That plot promotes itself.
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Yushin Okami is at a delicate point in his career, too. Heís an aging fighter coming off back-to-back losses with one more push left at this point. At UFC 150, he was supposed to fight Luiz Cane. A dangerous striker. Cane got hurt. The UFC replaced him with Rousimar Palhares. A dangerous jiu-jitsu practitioner. Palhares got hurt. The UFC replaced him on short notice with Buddy Roberts. An unknown fighters with one promotional bout under his belt. Did Okami feel super comfortable fighting Roberts? I would guess not and Iím sure he was aware of the consequences of fighting him. If he beat Roberts, as expected, he wouldnít move up much in the ranks, if it all. If he lost to Roberts, he would plummet even further down the middleweight ladder. Or might even be cut from the UFC altogether. Knowing all of that, did he decide to decline the fight? Nope.

Granted, Okami isnít the crossover star that Jones is. But it illustrates that what the UFC asked of Jones wasnít ridiculous. Itís commonplace for things like this to happen. Itís never been a huge deal until now.

That's the whole point. Okami can't afford to say no. He NEEDS these fights to get back. Jones is there. He isnt going anywhere. No one has really come all too close to stopping him.

It is more ridiculous to ask your reigning champ, biggest star and most marketable fighter currently to fight a guy who just got his ass flat out stomped at 185.

A lot different than asking a guy who is in serious danger of being a full fledged journeyman/gate keeper to take on a no name.
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Heís almost cleared out the LHW division. What does he expect? How did fighting Dan Hardy advance GSPís career? How did fighting Patrick Cote advance Andersonís career?

Okay, but those guys belonged in their respective weight classes. What if Hardy got hurt and asked GSP to fight Clay in 8 days? Sure they may have said yes, we don't know but the point is, it looks stupid to not even offer a chump 205'er at him at least.


Disagree here. It sets him back a few months. If Chael beat Bones, the UFC wouldíve scheduled an immediate rematch. Chael wouldíve become an even bigger loudmouth with an even bigger platform and the UFC wouldnít have been able to resist the temptation of a fallen championís road to redemption after his belt was taken from him in a Serra-esque stunner. That plot promotes itself.
Except it ruins the perception of mystique that surrounds Jones. Will he be truly defeated? Will anyone make it close? Instead, you have a guy who lost to a loudmouth trash talker on 8 days notice. Sure the UFC can still sell it because of their monopoly on the sport and it could "ruin" Jones.

Especially if it was in Serra-esque fashion. He could become gun-shy and just work for the safe decision.
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That's the whole point. Okami can't afford to say no. He NEEDS these fights to get back. Jones is there. He isnt going anywhere. No one has really come all too close to stopping him.

It is more ridiculous to ask your reigning champ, biggest star and most marketable fighter currently to fight a guy who just got his ass flat out stomped at 185.

A lot different than asking a guy who is in serious danger of being a full fledged journeyman/gate keeper to take on a no name.
Except this train of thought implies that Jon Jonesí career is more important than Yushin Okamiís. I donít agree with that on a personal level. Both fighters pour their heart and soul into their fighting career. Yushin Okami, even though he isnít a champion or popular fighter, has just as much to lose in that scenario as Jones does in his. But because Jones is a title-holding phenom, he should be held to an easier standard than less talented fighters? No. Jon Jones isnít entitled to something more than Yushin Okami. Just because he earned the right to call himself champion doesnít mean he earned the right to be babied.

You want to know the reason fighters have turned on him? Thatís the reason. Because Jon Jones believes heís above the show now. Like the UFC had the balls to ask him to fight someone he didnít want to or he feels didnít deserve to fight him. Well, guess what, Jon? Itís supposed to be the championís job to put down all comers. Not pick and choose who to defend against based on his comfort level with said opponent.

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Okay, but those guys belonged in their respective weight classes. What if Hardy got hurt and asked GSP to fight Clay in 8 days? Sure they may have said yes, we don't know but the point is, it looks stupid to not even offer a chump 205'er at him at least.
Chael stepped up. Anderson stepped up. Chris Weidman stepped up. Those are the three that we know of. Vitor hasnít fought at 205 since 2007, but he was deemed an acceptable opponent for Jones. Truth be told, Alexander Gustafsson is the last exciting prospect left at 205, barring some rematches.

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Except it ruins the perception of mystique that surrounds Jones. Will he be truly defeated? Will anyone make it close? Instead, you have a guy who lost to a loudmouth trash talker on 8 days notice. Sure the UFC can still sell it because of their monopoly on the sport and it could "ruin" Jones.
And this hasnít? Exigent circumstances or not, the dude just ducked Chael Sonnen. A middleweight with a career record of 27-12-1. That hurts his perception, too.

This is what I donít understand. Would someone tell me what kind of serious threats Chael Sonnen poses to Jon Jones? Because, as far as I see it, he isnít as threatening as his previous or future opponents. He is smaller than most. He doesnít challenge Jones on their feet. He has a stronger shot than Henderson, but isnít much different in the clinch and Jones comes from a Greco-Roman base himself, so itís not like heís never seen an experienced practitioner from that discipline before. And Henderson said Chael wasnít even with him at Team Quest, so itís not even like Chael had started drilling for Jones for weeks either, as Greg Jackson implicated. What about this match is so disagreeable? The off-chance that something freak happens? Jon Jones controls those things. If he takes Chael for what he is, and fights his fight, then the window for Chael to defeat him is almost negligible. The holes for Chael to exploit just arenít there.

But what he did instead was moan about being given a favorable matchup and then took his ball and went home. Did Dana handle it well? No, he didnít. There are a lot of things Dana couldíve done different, too. The bottom-line is Dana was dealing with unprecedented circumstances where a champion refused to fight a challenger. I canít fault his back-up plan because Iím sure he never thought Bones would refuse the fight. After all, thatís never happened before.

And in the process of looking out for number one, Jon Jones has taken a serious hit among his fans and his fellow fighters. He has tweeted before about never, ever turning down a fight. Oops. He said weeks ago he would fight Chael Sonnen in a heartbeat. Oops again. If he didnít want to fight Chael on a weekís notice, then fine. Thatís his prerogative. But donít talk a big game and then back down from it and not expect a strong backlash in response. Jon Jones isnít the victim here. His actions precipitated this. Actions that he controlled.

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Especially if it was in Serra-esque fashion. He could become gun-shy and just work for the safe decision.
Greg Jackson is notorious for turning his fighters into the safest and smartest fighters possible. Even if that means grinding out decision after decision.
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And Jon Jones really is a *****.

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In light of the recent mess that was the cancelation of UFC 151, we still have yet to see the end of the aftermath. Not too many people came out of this looking great, except maybe Chael Sonnen, the unlikely "hero" in this story. Some people have come out of this cast in very deprecatory ways, few more than UFC light heavyweight champion, Jon Jones. In a recent article from The Wrestling Observer, there's yet another piece of information that will add fuel to the Jon Jones fire:

Jones was very upset after Chael began calling him out and mocking him on Twitter, going as far as to contact White and ask him to tell Chael to stop.

Even if you're an avid Jones supporter, it's hard to cast this in a positive light. Sure, it may not always be fun to be the butt of ten thousand Chael Sonnen jokes, but that's not something you can just ask Dana White to stop. It just seems childish for a professional athlete to respond so oddly to a little bit of heat from a possible competitor.
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I would love to see that fight. I don't particularly care about them doing TUF one way or the other, but Cormier at 205 sounds pretty awesome to me. The one thing I want to see is Cormier deep on a double leg on Jones' chicken legs.

I'm not one of those people who think Cormier=Olympics>JBJ=Junior College wrestling because of all the different variables in MMA, but I think based on Cormier's overall skill set, body type, and athleticism makes him a good stylistic matchup for Jones.
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ya, obviously just a pay day for both as they know the outcome, Dana just trying to salvage 153 in some way after cancelling 151, I pray that no one is dumb enough to buy it
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People actually buy PPVs? I'd figure everyone streams it as well. Also, i hope Stephan got a nice payday for that ass beating he's being paid to take.
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I'm pretty excited for tonight. 3 big fights that I give a **** about.

Vitor's always been one of my favorites (not sure exactly why), so I'm hoping he comes in to this fight prepared and at his best. I don't expect him to pull it off, though.

I don't care much for Stann or Bisping, but can't wait to see the fight. I think Bisping takes it, and I've kind of cooled on hating him so much.

Don't care who wins the flyweight fight (guessing Mighty Mouse takes it). Should be a great one.

Also - excited to see Vinny Maghaeles back in the UFC. The FX portion of the card is really good.
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I hope Vitor knocks the living daylights out of Jones. Probably won't happen but I can hope.

I hate Bisping and I hope Stann kicks his ass. AMERICUH!!!
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I wanna see hettes, vinny, and the flyweights most of all tonight. The main event is not all that interesting to me.
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I hope Vitor knocks the living daylights out of Jones. Probably won't happen but I can hope.

I hate Bisping and I hope Stann kicks his ass. AMERICUH!!!
I think I hate the American Hero **** Stann gets even more than everything about Bisping, to be honest.
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I think I hate the American Hero **** Stann gets even more than everything about Bisping, to be honest.
Yea it gets annoying. But I hate Bisping more than almost every other fighter.
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That was dog ****, Hettes. Dog ****.
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That was dog ****, Hettes. Dog ****.
I seriously dontget how that is the same guy as the last fight. He just walked forward and hoped to grab hold of brimage. He had zero standup and didnt trheaten with takedowns too much. Wtf with the nick diaz comp rogan?
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He was acting like he was Diaz, but wasn't doing anything.

Did he just have a bad cut? That's what it looked like. He was slow.
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Great jitz on display right there by Vinny.
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Great jitz on display right there by Vinny.
Was gorgeous.
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He's the best. **** Roger.
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Jones is such a ******* tool.
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So much of the media will call fans fickle or say we are haters, but reality is that he has gone from a humble, kinda weird dude to a cocky dick. He truly is a tool, it is such a shame that such an amazingly talented guy has to be such an asshole.
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Picks for the main card:

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Hamill
Swanson - all the bacon and eggs
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