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Old 09-04-2012, 04:13 PM    (permalink
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Soy bacon?! Raze that place!

And I love how the Gretchen Theory guy proves his theory completely wrong before he even goes into it.
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Whoever proposed/believes that theory should feel bad.
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I believe it, Gale reads the poem in the lab the 1st day they meet and then Walt is looking at the book in the very next scene. Very unlikely that Gale bought him the book during that time most likely already had it
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Old 09-04-2012, 05:06 PM    (permalink
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If Walt really is out, what can Hank do to prove Walt is Heisenberg?
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Old 09-04-2012, 05:11 PM    (permalink
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I would guess it starts with Jesse
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Old 09-04-2012, 05:17 PM    (permalink
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I believe it, Gale reads the poem in the lab the 1st day they meet and then Walt is looking at the book in the very next scene. Very unlikely that Gale bought him the book during that time most likely already had it
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If Walt really is out, what can Hank do to prove Walt is Heisenberg?
It will certainly complicate things. That being said, the flashforward shows that Walt is either on the run from the law or the meth trade, and you also have to account for the fact we know there are eight more episodes. I think Walt was generally sincere when he said he was out, but something is going to bring him back in.
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s03e06 Gale didn't give Walt the book
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Old 09-04-2012, 05:30 PM    (permalink
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s03e06 Gale didn't give Walt the book
We never saw Gretchen Schwartz give him the book either...

I am too lazy too write any further, I'll just copypasta some rebuttals to this theory;

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Here is my problem with this theory, I'll try to break it down in parts.

I. Gretchen's last name is not Black, it's Shwartz. This is the name she took up in marriage when she married Elliot. Shwartz = black in German. So why would she sign her name G.B vs G.S. At best, the writers could write into the show that her last name was something else that started with B, but the whole "black" thing comes from her married name Shwartz. And that doesn't make sense.

II. It's SO coincidental, it would be contrived and lazy writing. I could be convinced that Gretchen liked Walt Whitman. I could even believe she gave the book to Walt. But I can't believe that a women he dated 20 years ago, has almost identical writing to Gale (physically and stylistically) and that she would have the same connection to Walt and this random poet. Clearly, the writers made the writing and the mannerism with which it was written similar to Gale's. And to do that, just in order to throw people off for this "twist" is just lazy writing. As a big LOST fan that is aware of the shows flaws, this seems like something they would have done. Breaking Bad is above that sort of thing (or should be, at least).

III. What would be the point of this? Honestly. Hank won't believe Walt even if they show in a flashback Gretchen really gave him the book. So the sole purpose of this scene is to show Hank finally knows. I guess it's cosmic justice? Walt's downfall being a freak coincidence? It really adds nothing to the story, outside of it making Walt look less like a sloppy person.

I really feel like this is another instance of fans looking into things too much. Remember when everyone thought Jesse pointed the gun away from Gale? When people thought he didn't really shoot him?

Hell I remember some fans thinking that Walt didn't really poison Brock, despite the fact that they ZOOMED IN on the Lilly of the Valley. "Someone must have broken into Walt's backyard and took from the plant".

If you look at all the evidence, it points towards it being from Gale. At the end of the day, I would just find it so silly if they try to pass this off as Gretchen - especially when the writing is 99% identical, both in how it's written, and how it looks.
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Okay let's look at the coincidences that this theory would imply:

• Gretchen and Gale have the same handwriting

• Gretchen and Gale have the same initials (we're assuming Gretchen's maiden name began with B, before she married Elliot)

• Gretchen and Gale are both HUGE fans of Walt Whitman

• Gretchen and Gale both write Walter's name as "W.W."

• Gretchen has never mentioned Walt Whitman, but now we are to believe that the last remaining plot connection between Gretchen and Walter is none other than Walt Whitman.

You can be pretty sure that a theory is wrong if it requires a significant amount of coincidences and mental gymnastics. Tell me, what was your first instinct when you saw this scene? Gale Boetticher, or Gretchen Bsomething?
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Old 09-04-2012, 05:37 PM    (permalink
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hand writing isn't the same either :p
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Old 09-04-2012, 05:41 PM    (permalink
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Ugh. Why do people insist on things being ambiguous when the writers don't mean for them to be? Gayle gave him the book.

This is just like when people were arguing that Jesse didn't really shoot Gayle because of the camera angle.
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Stop misspelling a really easy name, Kyle. And this is worse than "DID JESSE SHOOT GALE? I DIDN'T SEE HIM GETTING SHOT, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A MISFIRE" at the end of season 3.
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ha, it just weird that they wouldn't show him giving him the book

he literally recites the poem then the next scene Walt is at home reading the book

and I was focusing on the W.W. which is obviously different
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**** Hank, killing himself is a fitting way for him to go. As for this whole Gretchen theory, you guys are crazy. Gale gave it to him. I am still less upset at people getting Gale's name wrong as I am when people spell Heisenberg Heisenburg. That really pisses me off.
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This show is so ******* vague with its scene-to-scene timeline... Just because Walt was reading the book the next scene doesn't mean it was the next day.

And the book was clearly older already, meaning it was part of a stash. Gale signed it, took it to work, and gave it to Walt. So ******* simple.
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that didn't happen though, 2nd day they went to work Walt ***** him out for supposedly setting the temperature wrong
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Shut the **** up cory.


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Yeah I saw that. It is flawed, however.

Hank could easily plead ignorance. If he was in league with Walt, why would he then be turning him in? The people around Hank have been working with him for years. They should be able to tell he wasn't working with Walt, and it shouldn't be hard for him to explain that.

As for wards of the state, only Holly would have that chance. Walt Jr. is in his senior year as far as I am aware, he is too old to go into the system. But if Hank pleaded ignorance, then there would be no reason why Hank and Marie couldn't adopt Holly and save her from foster care.

As for the Salamanca thing, that's really amateur. He asked for Hank by name, but got every single DEA person in the room to watch the exchange. To propose that the DEA would think Hank somehow gave him that bomb is really, really dense.

I am not saying I couldn't see Walt saying these things when finally cornered, but its a lot of it is flawed. The only stickler for Hank would probably be Skylar. A good point towards this that I saw was how the DEA handled Fring. Gus Fring was friends with practically everyone in the DEA to varying degrees, yet are we seeing the DEA turning on its own and questioning their association with him?
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Yeah I saw that. It is flawed, however.

Hank could easily plead ignorance. If he was in league with Walt, why would he then be turning him in? The people around Hank have been working with him for years. They should be able to tell he wasn't working with Walt, and it shouldn't be hard for him to explain that.

As for wards of the state, only Holly would have that chance. Walt Jr. is in his senior year as far as I am aware, he is too old to go into the system. But if Hank pleaded ignorance, then there would be no reason why Hank and Marie couldn't adopt Holly and save her from foster care.

As for the Salamanca thing, that's really amateur. He asked for Hank by name, but got every single DEA person in the room to watch the exchange. To propose that the DEA would think Hank somehow gave him that bomb is really, really dense.

I am not saying I couldn't see Walt saying these things when finally cornered, but its a lot of it is flawed. The only stickler for Hank would probably be Skylar. A good point towards this that I saw was how the DEA handled Fring. Gus Fring was friends with practically everyone in the DEA to varying degrees, yet are we seeing the DEA turning on its own and questioning their association with him?

Why would him pleading ignorance work when it didn't for Merkert? He was forced to resign and Gus wasn't his brother in law.
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Why would him pleading ignorance work when it didn't for Merkert? He was forced to resign and Gus wasn't his brother in law.
Hmm, actually completely forgot about that. It does make some difference that with Fring, there was Hank actively pursuing him and Merkert was actively shutting him down, whereas know one in the DEA has suspected Walt. But I guess we shall see.
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It's over for Hank. I don't think Walt is going to kill him or anything, but I think he is going to kill himself. Here for the past 2 years he has been chasing the great Heisenberg, and the whole time it's been his brother-in-law. Now he knows who Heisenberg is, but he really has no physical evidence to prove it is Walt. All he has is a bunch of solid conclusions, but that won't stand in any court. Also, all his medical bills were payed for with drug money. I don't think Hank can live with all this, and no matter how much I hate to say it because I like Hank, but I think he is going to kill himself.
I'm not sure my Kansasian friend. Hank is a kickass agent. The only part he didn't entirely piece together was that Walt was the dude. I mean considering the information he'd been given I'm not sure how he would have figured it out. I'm pretty sure Hank just became the show's protagonist and his suicide really wouldn't make sense to me.
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ha, it just weird that they wouldn't show him giving him the book

he literally recites the poem then the next scene Walt is at home reading the book

and I was focusing on the W.W. which is obviously different
Maybe they'll have a flashback scene showing Gale giving the book to Walt. I don't think it's very necessary, but more Gale is always a good thing.
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