New York Giants Discussion

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by scottyboy

zuttah's way better than those scrubs on your interior OL!

You going Sunday?

[scottyboy]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

You going Sunday?

sadly no. these grad school classes have been kicking my ass already

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by scottyboy

sadly no. these grad school classes have been kicking my ass already

Ohh that's weak. It's only a 1 P.M. game on a Sunday with no Rutgers the day before.

[Legacy]

Originally Posted by Caddy

Not to mention he makes the players around him (IE Jeremy Trueblood) appear better.

If he makes Trueblood better, this is going to be a long season...

[bigbluedefense]

The Bucs defense is strong all across the board actually. Their main weakness is actually DE, they have good LBs in Foster and David, they have a good secondary, they have good DTs. But they lack a premier edge rusher.

Our OL is particularly weak at OT, so hopefully this plays in our favor. I don't expect us to run the ball, they're stout and we suck at running.

This is going to be a close game. Oddly enough we're gonna need Bennett to come through, bc he's the mismatch we need to take advantage of. They lack size to cover him. But he's also not a focal point of this offense, so it will be interesting to see how that goes.

Nicks is still banged up, and my guess is he won't be healthy for another 3 to 4 weeks. So he's a non factor. They'll key in on Cruz to take him out of the game. Which means we need that 3rd WR threat to emerge desperately, and I'm confident that Hixon won't be that guy. We need to start Barden or Randle. I know we won't start Randle bc Coughlin doesn't like starting rookies, so we need to get Barden more snaps.

If that 3rd threat doesn't emerge soon, our offense is in trouble.

[Giantsfan1080]

Marty B and Rivers are both going to turn out to be huge steals. Reese and his power moves!

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Marty B and Rivers are both going to turn out to be huge steals. Reese and his power moves!

Rivers was a monster vs Dallas until he pulled his hamstring. The guy just can't stay healthy though.

Bennett had a good game too.

I want to see us use Bennett more in the passing game. Open up the route tree a little bit.

[Giantsfan1080]

I think they will but he is going to have a lot of snaps where he has to stay in and block. We need to get the OL figured out quickly so we can open up the playbook. Otherwise it might be conservative Coughlin/Gilbride.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

We better come and play aggressive. Do I expect it? No same old same old stuff I expect. Balance balance balance! in the red zone we better throw the damn ball.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by NY+Giants=NYG

We better come and play aggressive. Do I expect it? No same old same old stuff I expect. Balance balance balance! in the red zone we better throw the damn ball.

I really would feed Eli a pass play everytime when we're near the goal like that if I were Gilbride. Eli can read the D and check to a run if he likes what he sees. No harm no foul in doing that.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Exactly! We treat Eli like he is the 2005 Eli. What can we do to get the ball out of his hands?

[bigbluedefense]

The OL is what it is. Not a good unit. We just have to try to work around it all season.

This coming draft, I'm all for drafting the best available CB or DE in round 1, then draft a whole new OL every round after that.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Our OL sucks. That developmental ol thing we joke about every Draft is actually hurting us. We haven't hit on any of them and yet relied on developing them. We need to really invest in that side of the ball

I am all for drafting OL in the first round. Screw dl and get cheap later

[Giantsfan1080]

Maybe we need to also re-evaluate what we look for in OL. Clearly we're not doing well in that area. It's either we draft bad OL or we're not developing them properly.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Maybe we need to also re-evaluate what we look for in OL. Clearly we're not doing well in that area. It's either we draft bad OL or we're not developing them properly.

It's a waste because we have hit on a single person either because they sucks or due to injury like koets. Just a waste year after year.

[Giantsfan1080]

Yeah I agree. Something needs to be changed because it's dying a slow death. Snee and Diehl are the only 2 OL we drafted the last 10 years that have been good. Success rate there is awful.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

It really is a slow death. We haven't groomed one guy to come in and be a solid starter. Beatty we practically handed him the job and now he is hurt and has issues. Baas I like but overall this was not a good time to have the ol go down hill. This is eli s prime and so we better step to it and make it good.

I respect what the Cowboys did with their secondary. In one off season they went all out. They were aggressive in. Free agency and in the draft and now solidified their cbs. I want that aggressive mentality with Reese.

I deferred to his drafting but clearly that has failed with ol. So he better spend money on great players or trade up and grab stud OL talent next draft.

[Giantsfan1080]

Whoops means to say the last 10 years.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by NY+Giants=NYG

It really is a slow death. We haven't groomed one guy to come in and be a solid starter. Beatty we practically handed him the job and now he is hurt and has issues. Baas I like but overall this was not a good time to have the ol go down hill. This is eli s prime and so we better step to it and make it good.

I respect what the Cowboys did with their secondary. In one off season they went all out. They were aggressive in. Free agency and in the draft and now solidified their cbs. I want that aggressive mentality with Reese.

I deferred to his drafting but clearly that has failed with ol. So he better spend money on great players or trade up and grab stud OL talent next draft.

Do you know what FA OL there are after this year?

[Giantsfan1080]

Jake Long is a FA after the year!! I can dream.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Do you know what FA OL there are after this year?

No I want to see. I hope for our sake there are a bunch. If there is a stud OL player in the draft than do what the Cowboys and falcons did and trade up and get that blue chip player

[Giantsfan1080]

These appear to be the tackles which is our biggest issue:

• Brandon Albert

• Sam Baker

• Will Barker

• Khalif Barnes

• D'Anthony Batiste

• William Beatty

• Jordan Black

• Jermon Bushrod

• Gosder Cherilus

• Ryan Clady

• Chris Clark

• Ryan Cook

• King Dunlap

• Trai Essex

• Andrew Gardner

• Nate Garner

• Adam Grant

• Ramon Harewood

• Ryan Harris

• Corey Hilliard

• Austin Howard

• Winston Justice

• Dennis Landolt

• Phillip Loadholt

• Sean Locklear

• Jake Long

• Patrick Mannelly

• Bryant McKinnie

• Pat McQuistan

• Lydon Murtha

• Quinn Ojinnaka

• Frank Omiyale

• Tyler Polumbus

• Garrett Reynolds

• Barry Richardson

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Jake Long is a FA after the year!! I can dream.

The dolphins have no star players so they are probably way under the salary cap. So I doubt they let him walk. But if a stud OL player is available next year then I hope we get aggressive and trade up as long as it doesn't cost us a future pick.

[Giantsfan1080]

Some other good names in that list above. Hopefully one of them gets to FA.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

I'd rather adopt the same philosophy with our DL and build from within in regards to our ol. Draft them and keep them in house. I think this ol needs a big time rebuilding effort or else we'd end up like Seattle when Hutchinson left. That God like ol fell off cliff quickly once Hutchinson left.

I see us on the edge between disaster and fixing the situation. But we have to be smart about it. Again our qb is in his prime so we need to be urgent with making our old great again.