Redskins & Rams Agree To Trade For #2

[SickwithIt1010]

Originally Posted by holt_bruce81

Exactly. I'm not saying none of it is Bradford's fault, he does need to improve on things, like getting rid of the ball. But the tools are still there and I'm excited now that Fisher is starting to put weapons around him, though he is still missing that true #1.

I guess We'll see.

Next year is a good year to snatch up a WR, few that are pretty damn good. Get it done, Jeff.

[Complex]

Just hope Jeff doesn't find a back-up WR/collegebasketball player for the bears and try to make him a #1 WR.

Maybe Jeff Fisher learned a lesson near the end of his tenure because we did draft Kenny Britt. But if he didn't prepare for years of Roydell Williams, Brandon Jones, Cortney Roby, and Justin ***** ass Gage.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

People are acting all of a sudden like Josh Morgan, Aldrick Robinson, and Brandon Banks are studs. The skins still don't have great players at skill positions, but guys with potential. Pierre Garcon really shouldn't be the #1 WR on any team. People act like RGIII has great weapons or a line but the fact is both units are below average, and yes RGIII is in the perfect scheme and things are made easy for him right now but what's most impressive is that he's got total control of this offense.

[fenikz]

I agree ideally you have a guy like Garcon as a #2 with a true #1 and a slot wr/te for the underneath stuff

[SickwithIt1010]

People think the redskins have good receivers because they see some of the figures they threw out for Garcon and Morgan and assume they are the next big thing. They both have potential, but like you said Garcon isnt a number 1 but a good 2 and a very good 3. Ive always liked Morgan but hes struggled with health and he was pretty raw coming in, lots of potential though so hopefully he works out.

[Complex]

Garcon is legit imo, the guy almost had 1,000 yards with the Painter throwing the ball.

[SickwithIt1010]

Originally Posted by Complex

Garcon is legit imo, the guy almost had 1,000 yards with the Painter throwing the ball.

Oh hes a good receiver, no one is saying he isnt. But he isnt a number 1 on most teams.

[FUNBUNCHER]

Garcon is very similar to Hakeem Nicks physically with IMO better long speed.
He may not have prototype size, but I think Garcon is talented enough to be a #1 WR on quite a few NFL teams.

Assuming the foot injury isn't nagging all season, I think Garcon easily hits 90 catches/1200 yards/10 TDs.

That's #1 WR production in the NFL.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I guess we'll see a better indication today as with Garcon likely out that bumps 2 midgets in Aldrick Robinson and Santana Moss to starting roles. Honestly I really want to see Briscoe out there instead of Hankerson who IMO if he wasn't a 2nd round pick would have been cut. Ideally though just slot out Fred Davis, and get Niles Paul in the game at TE.

[Caddy]

Briscoe is a good player. Dude just doesn't have his head screwed on right.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Originally Posted by Caddy

Briscoe is a good player. Dude just doesn't have his head screwed on right.

Yup Ideally though he's used just as a redzone threat, and I apologize I did forget about who definitely should be starting on the outside and letting Aldrick or Moss slide to the slot.

[The Alex]

This is back from when the trade was finalized. How many of you Brown fans agree with him? I think he's right on the money.

[armageddon]

Originally Posted by The Alex

This is back from when the trade was finalized. How many of you Brown fans agree with him? I think he's right on the money.

It would have taken both their firsts, their 2nd and next years 1st to get RG3. That's a steep price.

Rams got the Skins 1st and 2nd plus the next 2 yrs firsts. That's a haul. I'd imagine this coming draft will be a top 10 with the injuries the Skins are suffering.

[The Alex]

Originally Posted by armageddon

It would have taken both their firsts, their 2nd and next years 1st to get RG3. That's a steep price.

It's worth it. The Browns have had absolutely nothing at quarterback since they were restarted in 1999. Brandon Weeden isn't the solution and you know it. With the mediocrity that has plagued the Browns franchise, they needed a franchise signal caller and they blew it once again.

[BigBanger]

Originally Posted by The Alex

It's worth it. The Browns have had absolutely nothing at quarterback since they were restarted in 1999. Brandon Weeden isn't the solution and you know it. With the mediocrity that has plagued the Browns franchise, they needed a franchise signal caller and they blew it once again.

Let's calm down on Weeden. No one knows if he's the solution or isn't the solution to anything. And we haven't found out much of anything after two weeks. We do know that he has the arm to complete any throw asked of him. We know that he can have an atrocious game one week, and then bounce back the next week and have a very good game. There might be some mental toughness there. I wasn't sold on Weeden coming out of college. I wasn't sold on Tannehill. But both players have most of the qualities you look for in a franchise QB. Most importantly they have the physical tools and the potential to be very good players. Will the decision making and transition to an NFL style offense end up panning out for both? That remains to be seen, and it will be the case at the end of next year as well. The Browns are hoping for a sign. They hope Weeden shows enough over the course of the next two or three seasons to figure out if he is, or isn't going to be the long term answer. Not the first two or three games of his NFL career.

They have talent on offense. Trent Richardson is going to be a beast. A great player even. That offensive line is going to be good. If Weeden pans out, then they have a QB as well. What is missing, right now, is skill position players. He doesn't have a #1 WR. Alex Smith and Ben Watson aren't long term answers at the TE position. It's going to be tough for him to complete passes against a good secondary like the Eagles. But he showed that he can have a good game against a very weak secondary like the Bengals (when the talent level is more equal). Offensively, the Browns aren't too far away from having a very solid and balanced two-dimensional offense. They are one big playmaking WR away right now from having a good offense. In the long run, missing out on RGIII... might be a blessing in disguise, but Weeden has to pan out. If he does, then there's no question that keeping all the draft picks and getting Trent Richardson is a much better deal than putting RGIII in the middle of nothing, and then, possibly, stunting his growth by not being able to put highly talented players around him though the early portions of the draft.

I like the passion from the guy in the video, and I agree with his mentality. I also love the fact that he didn't get Kevin Kolb' name right once. The Browns might be the worst run franchise in the NFL, and when it comes to drafting, they have been terrible (up until recently). Having QBs like Colt McCoy... well, he said it better than I will even attempt to try.

Since 1999 the best players the Browns have drafted have been:

1. Joe Thomas (#4 Overall) - 2007
2. Joe Haden (#7 Overall) - 2010
3. Trent Richardson (#4 Overall) - 2012
4. Alex Mack (#21 Overall) - 2009
5. D'Qwell Jackson (Round 2) - 2007
6. Jeff Faine (#21 Overall) - 2003 - No longer with team
7. TJ Ward (Round 2) - 2010
8. Eric Wright (Round 2) - 2007 - No longer with team
9. Mohamed Massaquoi (Round 2) - 2009
10. Ahtyba Rubin (Round 6) - 2008

Since 1999... that's the list of proven players they've drafted. Since 1999. They have drafted (7) QBs since 1999 with (3) being taken in the 1st round. Those (7) QBs being: Tim Couch (1999), Spergon Wynn (2000), Luke McCown (2004), Charlie Frye (2005), Brady Quinn (2007), Colt McCoy (2010) and now Brandon Weeden (2012).

Those have turned out to be some bad QBs. A Cleveland Browns fan has endured a lot of garbage being played at the position for the last 13 years. I understand his thinking, especially when considering this is the same team that passed on Haloti Ngata, traded down one spot, ONE SINGLE SPOT, in the draft (with a divisional rival no less) and then took Kamerion Wimbley, a vastly inferior prospect to Ngata. Now, Wimbley is no longer on the team and Ngata is one of the best defensive linemen in the NFL (who kicks their ass twice a year to rub it in).

This is the kind of franchise we are talking about. So I get it, I get where he's coming from. I agree with him to a certain extent, but if Weeden is the guy, and I think he's far and away the best QB prospect they have drafted since 1999, then their own ineptitude might actually work in their favor.

It is a difficult trade to pull off though. And I don't think the Browns, for their own good, were the franchise that could pull it off. Draft picks are overvalued, but going two years without a first round pick (1st & 2nd rounders being the only draft picks with value) is a tough pill to swallow. Especially when you are the Browns.

It does take a franchise like the Redskins to pull this off, and then have it actually work. They have the coaching staff in place, they have STABILITY, which the Browns do not have. You have no idea who the head coach of the Browns is going to be next year, or the year after that. You have no idea what kind of offensive philosophy will be in place in three years, how many times that philosophy will change over that time period. They've had 6 head coaches since 1999. SIX.

I like Pat Shurmur as an offensive coordinator. I saw what he did with Sam Bradford in his rookie season. He made Bradford look impressive (and Bradford is a potentially good QB who gets too much flack around here, so I'm not discrediting Bradford). He played to all his strengths. He made a bad offense with no talent, even less than what Cleveland has now, a competitive team after a 1-15 season. How is he as a head coach? I don't know, and I don't follow the team that closely to give a valid opinion, but maybe he'll be there for a decade or so. Odds are, it being Cleveland, that he'll be gone by start of the 2014 season. So, for the sake of RGIII, I thought the right team moved up to trade for him. A team that could actually use him properly and play to his strengths. Going to Cleveland? Might be a completely different story. The Redskins gave up a lot to acquire RGIII. They gave up a ton. But, they have a talented team, overrated, but talented. Most importantly they have a proven coaching staff that isn't going anywhere. A staff that knows how make average players look good. Cleveland doesn't make average players look good. Therefore, the Redskins aren't going to NEED those 1st round draft picks to maximize RGIIIs potential (They are also aggressive in free agency and have no problem throwing big money at mediocre talent). The Browns would need those premium players (draft picks) to surround RGIII with, because they're not a good drafting to begin with, and they don't go after free agents.

Do you want to see the Browns be aggressive? Sure. But in this situation? If Weeden turns out to be a competent player, he doesn't have to be a Pro Bowl QB, but just competent, middle-of-the-road QB (a Matt Schaub), then there is no doubt in my mind that not taking RGIII would turn out to be the better move. I don't know if Weeden is the answer. I don't think you find your franchise signal caller in the middle to later portions of round 1, but that's just my personal thinking. There are exceptions to the rules. Brady Quinn wasn't the exception. Weeden, much more talented, may be. I think he has a chance. I never thought Quinn had a chance, and I bashed the Browns for taking Quinn in Round 1 when they did. I think the Browns had a good draft in 2012, but it will only be good if Weeden turns out to be a solid pro. If not, they'll be drafting another QB high in the draft within the next three years. If they did give up the picks, I would be uncertain about their future. Their offense would look totally different and they would have less talent then they have now.

It was a very difficult decision. And it would be very hard to pull the trigger on this type of move if you are Cleveland. It would be boom or bust with RGIII in Cleveland. In Washington, it's much easier to pull off. The Browns, as a franchise, are making progress (most notably though the draft), and I think it's because of Mike Holmgren. Not in spite of him.

[The Alex]

Jesus Christ, man I'm not reading all that at this hour.

[SuperPacker]

The first three minutes of that video are ******* hilarious.