Baltimore Ravens Discussion

[A Perfect Score]

At one point, Ray Rice had 9 carries and was averaging around 9 YPC. Brilliant idea, let's have Flacco throw it 42 times!

It sounds repetitive, but god damn can we please fire that ******* moron we call an offensive coordinator?

[coordinator0]

Originally Posted by Ravens1991

Joe was terrible the 2nd half. But where was the no huddle? I was nervous Cam would still be Cam and somehow **** something up. Pees was vanilla too but at least he wasnt Mattison bad.

Actually he was. Did you not see how many times he called 3 man rushes that were completely ineffective (outside of the first INT Vick threw). Pees' game-plan got torn apart by the Eagles too without much adjustment from him. There's no way all of the wide-open receivers/Celek were from blown coverages and it's not like he was sending a bunch of players at the QB on those plays either. Pees was just as bad as Mattison ever was this game.

[BigDawg819]

Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

At one point, Ray Rice had 9 carries and was averaging around 9 YPC. Brilliant idea, let's have Flacco throw it 42 times!

It sounds repetitive, but god damn can we please fire that ******* moron we call an offensive coordinator?

Cam can't help but meddle, so I absolutely agree he has to go. Sadly I don't see Harbs having the stones to make that call on his own.

Ray was running well in the first half, yet the second half he didn't have that same effectiveness. Maybe if he had more carries it would have came back but I think we all can agree its an unknown.

My biggest complaint is that as well as Joe looked for 6 quarters, the final 2 quarters he completely reverted. Was it Cam reinserting himself in the play calling? Was it the Eagle pass rush and pass coverage causing frustration? Was it this young offensive line being overwhelmed?

All those questions, in my opinion, are valid but my biggest issue is why the constant forcing passes to Dennis Pitta? Where was Anquan Boldin? Where was Torrey Smith? Where was Ed Dickson? We have so many more targets then Dennis Pitta, yet Joe had a radar lock on Pitta.

Offense aside, we all know the referees were terrible. The Jones PI call was highly questionable, if that was a pass and not a fumble then where was the intentional grounding call since it clearly didn't cross the line of scrimmage?

The defense frankly scares me! Without Terrell Suggs we have NO PASS RUSH. NONE. ZILCH.

With Brady and company coming up next week after that debacle, if we don't figure out a way to get a hat on Brady then we may have no chance.

[Ravens1991]

Originally Posted by BigDawg819

Cam can't help but meddle, so I absolutely agree he has to go. Sadly I don't see Harbs having the stones to make that call on his own

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This Cam is a terrible OC and Harbs doesnt seem to care. It isnt even funny. Harbs has the power to just tell Cam to run the no huddle but he doesnt do it. It makes me sick. Literally Flacco leaving during FA and saying its because of Cam maybe the only thing to make Harbaugh think Cameron sucks.

[America]

Even though Cam called an awful game, Joe needs to put it on himself to have a better second half than that. His pocket presence seemed to disappear and hardly ever stepped up, instead throwing off his back foot. Way too many passes went to Pitta on a day that Mychal Kendricks (one of this board's preferred prospects) was all over making plays and Demeco Ryans was manning the middle well too.

38/74 of Flacco's attempts have gone to Pitta or Rice (23/15) with another 7 and 4 attempts to Dickson and Leach. That's 2/3's of Flacco's attempts to TE's or backs.

Pees never adjusted to the Eagles' game plan. Chasing Mike Vick out of the pocket never does any good. He made a lot of good plays in those situations. And the tackling was very poor. BigDawg made a good point that few have recognized...if Vick was passing, it should have been an intentional grounding since he wasn't out of the pocket, the ball didn't make it back to the LOS, and there wasn't any receiver there. It would have been 3rd and 5. They may have still scored. But it would have at least given the D a chance.

[coordinator0]

On a lot of those throws Flacco couldn't step up into the pocket because of it collapsing around him. I was upset with it too until I noticed he really didn't have much room to step into the throw like he should. Some of those throws were really questionable in the first place though. I get that the other receivers weren't getting open but that doesn't mean you throw a ball that has very little chance of being completed (a lot of the Pitta overthrows). That last throw was a horrible decision, I don't see how Rice could have caught that with Kendricks in such good position.

Of course some of that falls on Cameron too. The offense he called in the second half looked exactly like what we saw last season with a bunch of vertical routes, the TE breaking towards the sidelines, and Rice coming out of the backfield. That's never going to work against an Eagles defense constructed as it is currently.

I hate coordinators (my username notwithstanding). Or at least Harbaugh's choice in them.

[America]

Exactly. It seems like slants, posts, and in routes have become absent in this offense, especially in pressure situations.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Massive offensive line, bruising full back, and an elite RB, so lets try to be a high flying passing team? No sorry, the no huddle passing offense is all good and dandy against horrible defenses but it's not the Ravens identity. Ravens big pass plays come off play action not spreading it out and trying to make Flacco into Brady. Plus this defense is too old to risk all of these three and outs, it will wear them down eventually. Houston and San Fran are the two best teams in the league right now because of dominant run games and great defenses, with big pass plays off play action. Ravens need to regain their identity. Try to beat New England not become them.

[coordinator0]

The "old defense" label is mostly wrong. Outside of Lewis and Reed no other starter is over 30 and I think the next closest is Ngata then Pollard. Kemoeatu is but I don't view him as a "true" starter since he splits time with Cody and doesn't play all the time like the other 2. Tiring out because of age isn't an issue, tiring out when they're on the field for long drives by the opposing offense because they can't get a pass-rush and QBs picking apart the soft coverage is concerning though.

[Matthew Jones]

My Patriots/Ravens preview is up:

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2012/...eek-three.html

[BigDawg819]

Originally Posted by Matthew Jones

My Patriots/Ravens preview is up:

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2012/...eek-three.html

I read this and thought it was pretty good, that is until:

10. Can kickers Stephen Gostkowski and Billy Cundiff put late-game misses behind them?

Moments after Patriots cornerback Sterling Moore slapped a would-be touchdown pass out of Ravens receiver Lee Evans’ hands in the fourth quarter of the AFC Championship Game, Baltimore kicker Billy Cundiff missed a 32-yard field goal which would have tied the game at 23 with just 11 seconds remaining. Of course, Cundiff missed the field goal wide left and New England advanced to the Super Bowl. Last week, Patriots kicker Stephen Gostkowski connected on his first four field goal attempts but famously missed a 42-yard kick wide left with just one second remaining on the clock; the mistake gave Arizona a 20-18 upset victory over the Patriots.

The importance of converting on field goal tries will be magnified in what should be a close game this Sunday. Both Cundiff and Gostkowski will be under a great deal of pressure, but they could also have opportunities to exorcise their demons and help their team to victory in a matchup which could very well have playoff seeding implications.

REALLY?????

[coordinator0]

[America]

Was it good?

[SeanTaylorRIP]

LMAO Tucker could be 20/20 this year but when playoff time comes you'd have to be nervous.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

BTW Cary Williams suxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[TACKLE]

Wow what a game. I had full confidence in Flacco when we got the ball back in the end. He's developed into one the premier 2 minute drill QB's in the league.

Torrey....man that was unbelievable. Not only what he was going through but you have to know that he played that game on 0 hours sleep.

Ed Reed knocking people's heads off? Where the F did that come from? Even with the penalty I enjoyed every bit of it One of the most physical games I can remember from him in a long time.

Originally Posted by SeanTaylorRIP

BTW Cary Williams suxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Yeah he's been shaky, especially a short routes or vs. quicker WR's. It's tough because you could say put Webb outside but he's one of our best blitzers and is the best nickel in the league so he's very valuable there. Wouldn't ruin my day if we let him walk at the end of the year to some team willing to overpay him.

[cmarq83]

Good game guys. Seems like every time we play some sketchy **** goes down, unfortunately tonight what goes around came back around to bite us. Must be satisfying after 2007.

Also, Webb, Smith, and Yanda are beasts. That is all.

[A Perfect Score]

No other defensive lineman in the NFL impacts the game like Haloti Ngata. He's such a monster. So much of what we were able to accomplish tonight pressure-wise came from him. What an animal.

Oddly enough, I felt confident in Flacco at the end too. I had faith he would lead them down the field for a score in that situation.

[TACKLE]

[coordinator0]

Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

No other defensive lineman in the NFL impacts the game like Haloti Ngata. He's such a monster. So much of what we were able to accomplish tonight pressure-wise came from him. What an animal.

Oddly enough, I felt confident in Flacco at the end too. I had faith he would lead them down the field for a score in that situation.

Looks like the Mayans were right after all.

[TACKLE]

This kinda got overlooked in the craziness of the game but I really liked what I saw from Bernard Pierce.

[A Perfect Score]

Originally Posted by TACKLE

This kinda got overlooked in the craziness of the game but I really liked what I saw from Bernard Pierce.

As did I. He looked really good, actually.

[coordinator0]

Yeah Pierce has looked pretty decent in all 3 games so far. He's not getting many carries but he's producing with the ones he does get. I'm liking the look of the running game overall so far this year, the new look OL is getting a much more consistent/effective push and the RBs are taking advantage of it.

[niel89]

Feels amazing to get that win. Absolutely terrible refs but we won so I can't be too mad. Couple thoughts

-The offense looked bad on those first couple series. We got saved on our third 3 and out by a penalty and then we started rolling in the 2nd quarter. We need more on 1st down so we don't keep ending up in 3rd & 6+.

-Flacco came up big. Not going to be the norm, but 382 yards passing blew me away when I saw it. It took a little time but he got in a groove and had a huge game in a big time match up. I had a lot of confidence in him to put us in a position to win at the end there. Cool that we all are feeling that.

-Rice got 25 touches and produced 150 yards. No matter what we do on offense, we can't forget to keep getting him touches. He is the best weapon we have and him running the ball does wonders to the whole offense.

-As you guys mentioned, Pierce looked good out there. He could really benefit from more carries but its hard not to use Rice. We could be alright for a game or two if Rice had to sit for an injury. Not sure why he was in there for the 4th down play though.

-OL had a great game. Joe had time and they made holes in the running game. Wilfork was mostly handled which is a big deal. 0 sacks given up, although one was called back on a penalty play. I'm still surprised to see Harewood starting, not in a bad way but I thought we were gonna go about 3 different ways.

-Can't be any more proud/happy for Torrey. He didn't have to play that game, and he was the difference. Very proud of the support that he is getting in the community and league wide.

-Jacoby Jones in x-factor on offense. His size and speed is hard to account for as a 3rd WR. Two deep threats changes this offense.

-The defense is going to struggle this year getting pressure. Just blitzing more isn't going to make up for it either. The DBs need to be a strength.

-Ellerbe made plays out there. 1.5 sacks and completely blew up solder on that one play. He earned more reps in that game.

-Cary Williams didn't look great out there, but he is still a good corner. Playing opposite Webb, he is going to get targeted a lot more. Jimmy Smith will creep in some of his playing time, but Webb will still play the nickle when we need it. Webb is just too good there.

Thats all I got for now.

[BmoreBlackByrdz]

Anyone else really impressed with Kelechi Osemele? I honestly thought this guy would not fit at Tackle and would quickly be moved to guard or the bench, but quite honestly, he looks better than Oher.