Mock Draft 1.0 - 9/14/12

[bruschis4all]

Originally Posted by descendency

Missing out on Barrett Jones by 1 pick? FML.

Pats trade up for Womack. Little Bill has turned into a draft day trading up machine.

[Scott Wright]

Originally Posted by descendency

Missing out on Barrett Jones by 1 pick? FML.

I actually put Jones a little higher than I and many feel he may ultimately go.

Khaled Holmes of USC is my top rated center in this class. Jones is very good and you have to love the versatility but he is not an elite prospect at the position like the Pouncey Twins. In fact, there is a chance Jones will fall to round two or perhaps even round three.

[Scott Wright]

Originally Posted by Wide Right

Is Tyler Wilson under 6'2? I really want to get to the bottom of this. He's listed at 6'3 but reports out of the Manning QB camp said he and Barkley were about the same height.

Now Barkley is listed at 6'2 but looks smaller.

Here's a picture of Tyler Wilson with Razorbacks WR Brandon Mitchell who's listed at 6'4.

http://cmsimg.montgomeryadvertiser.c...n-Alabama-game

I command you measurement whiz's of draftcountdown.com to get to the bottom of this. Is Wilson 6'3, 6'2 or 6'1?

I confirmed through a very reliable source that Wilson measured in at a verified 6-1 3/4.

[fenikz]

do you feel silly about putting the Cardinals #1 yet?

[bored of education]

Originally Posted by fenikz

do you feel silly about putting the Cardinals #1 yet?

I woudnt, yet. After next week, maybe :)

[MassNole]

3 things.

1) David Amerson is criminally overrated. His production in 2011 can't be overlooked but also can't be seen out of context. He killed (as did N.C. State as a whole) against lesser competition but didn't show up in bigger games. Then in week 1 this year he was exposed and abused early and often by Tennessee. His numbers won't be what they were in 2011 and it isn't because teams won't test him. Small sample size, but Greg Dent abused him for a career game in 2011, and he was FSU's #6 WR. It isn't surprising the likes of Justin Hunter did the same.

2) What is it about FSU CB Xavier Rhodes that kept him out of the First Round? He has tremendous size at 6'1 to 6'2 and matched up well against Michael Floyd in the Champs Sports Bowl. He runs in the high 4.4's to low 4.5's and has been coached by an excellent DB coach in Mark Stoops. Sammy Watkins abused him in Week 3 last year, but Watkins is probably an early #1 overall in 2014.

3) How much did it hurt FSU DE Bjoern Werner to lose 20 lbs going from 275 to 255? Like Brandon Jenkins did in 2011, he has been standing up in pass rushing downs and currently has 6.5 sacks.

[D-Unit]

Love the pick of TJ McDonald to the Cowboys. Rob Ryan thanks you.

[MassNole]

Originally Posted by D-Unit

Love the pick of TJ McDonald to the Cowboys. Rob Ryan thanks you.

Mark Barron and T.J. McDonald would be one helluva Safety combo.

[bored of education]

MassNoles likes the Florida St. Seminoles.

[keylime_5]

Originally Posted by bored of education

I woudnt, yet. After next week, maybe :)

2-0 start = not picking #1 overall next year. Pretty much a lock at this point. They'd have to go 1-13 probably to get it....and they have yet to play the Rams, Bills, Vikings.


If I had to handicap the top pick, I'd put the Jags and Raiders near the top. Browns too since their schedule is really hard and they seem to find ways to lose close games every week.

[MassNole]

Originally Posted by bored of education

MassNoles likes the Florida St. Seminoles.

To be fair, in most other mock drafts Xavier Rhodes has been in the first round. I've seen Werner as high as #8, but I realize the weight drop hurts him.

[descendency]

Originally Posted by MassNole

1) David Amerson is criminally overrated. His production in 2011 can't be overlooked but also can't be seen out of context. He killed (as did N.C. State as a whole) against lesser competition but didn't show up in bigger games. Then in week 1 this year he was exposed and abused early and often by Tennessee. His numbers won't be what they were in 2011 and it isn't because teams won't test him. Small sample size, but Greg Dent abused him for a career game in 2011, and he was FSU's #6 WR. It isn't surprising the likes of Justin Hunter did the same.

Amerson was expecting safety help on both TDs that went by him. Did he have a good game? No, but I think people are over-exaggerating how bad he played.

The kid is clearly a ball hawking safety or a field side corner. He's not a matchup or boundary corner.

[Leon Sandcastle]

Originally Posted by Scott Wright

I confirmed through a very reliable source that Wilson measured in at a verified 6-1 3/4.

EEK! I'm OCD about QB's who aren't at least 6'2.

[ph90702]

Your analysis of Marcus Lattimore is ridiculous. Before his injury, he was a top 5 talent and arguably a better prospect than Trent Richardson. His ability to start and stop at 230 lbs. combined with his burst was pretty special. Also, he's faster than 4.6.

[MassNole]

Originally Posted by ph90702

Your analysis of Marcus Lattimore is ridiculous. Before his injury, he was a top 5 talent and arguably a better prospect than Trent Richardson. His ability to start and stop at 230 lbs. combined with his burst was pretty special. Also, he's faster than 4.6.

He hasn't looked nearly as fast this season after his knee injury. At the Combine I'd be surprised if he was sub 4.55 (which is still good for his size). But NFL teams can't overlook his injury history.

[Grizzlegom]

I like the Dolphins pick and explanation. I don't think we have the worst WR corps by a wide margin but its definitely in the discussion. That being said, I think Woods is a perfect fit for Philbin/Sherman's offensive schemes and would prefer him over the others in this class for what Miami runs.

[ph90702]

Originally Posted by MassNole

He hasn't looked nearly as fast this season after his knee injury. At the Combine I'd be surprised if he was sub 4.55 (which is still good for his size). But NFL teams can't overlook his injury history.

He's still a first round talent.

[Ozzy]

No Xavier Rhodes is a surprise for sure.

And I thought not having Bjoern Werner in the 1st round was a sin?



As for this Taylor Lewan stuff? Could you explain how he is the #3 pick in the draft after how he played against Alabama? Kid got flat massacred against NFL size defensive players.

Is he just the default because there are not many other good tackles? I like him but that high? Really? Why because he shows he is an athletic 6-8 tackle and there is not many great ones out there? Even though I would take Xavier Sua-Filo over Lewan, and I have not even seen him play yet since he got back from his two year mission.

Lewan that high, to me is crazy, little about him says Matt Kalil, Joe Thomas, Jake Long, Ryan Clady etc....actually nothing about him says he is up to the same level of talent as those highly drafted tackles. Give me those star guards in the draft potentially over this guy.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Originally Posted by Ozzy

No Xavier Rhodes is a surprise for sure.

And I thought not having Bjoern Werner in the 1st round was a sin?



As for this Taylor Lewan stuff? Could you explain how he is the #3 pick in the draft after how he played against Alabama? Kid got flat massacred against NFL size defensive players.

Is he just the default because there are not many other good tackles? I like him but that high? Really? Why because he shows he is an athletic 6-8 tackle and there is not many great ones out there? Even though I would take Xavier Sua-Filo over Lewan, and I have not even seen him play yet since he got back from his two year mission.

Lewan that high, to me is crazy, little about him says Matt Kalil, Joe Thomas, Jake Long, Ryan Clady etc....actually nothing about him says he is up to the same level of talent as those highly drafted tackles. Give me those star guards in the draft potentially over this guy.

We discussed Lewan a bit on the last two podcasts, why Scott has him that high, and how it could change going forward.

[Matthew Jones]

New England should look at the wide receivers available; another deep threat would really upgrade the offense. Ryan Wendell has played well at center, and the Patriots have some depth at right guard with Dan Connolly, Marcus Cannon, and Donald Thomas.

[TACKLE]

I said last year that Warmack was the best offensive lineman in college football and my opinion obviously hasn't changed this year. Probably my favorite 2013 prospect so yeah, I like the pick. However, it appears as if the long term future of our O-Line is much more secure and it's much deeper unit as a whole - outside of the center. I talked about this with ATLDirtyBirds, but with Warmack probably only measuring in at 6'2, I wonder if teams might look at him as a center...Especially if you're a team in division with a couple big 34 NT's or possibly in a physical division with some really big interior D-Lineman - like the AFC North perhaps.

[descendency]

Originally Posted by MassNole

He hasn't looked nearly as fast this season after his knee injury. At the Combine I'd be surprised if he was sub 4.55 (which is still good for his size). But NFL teams can't overlook his injury history.

Judging on previous results, he won't be ready to really play like he used to until he's in the NFL, sadly.

Most people take 2-3 years to fully recover from an ACL tear.

[keylime_5]

Originally Posted by ph90702

Your analysis of Marcus Lattimore is ridiculous. Before his injury, he was a top 5 talent and arguably a better prospect than Trent Richardson. His ability to start and stop at 230 lbs. combined with his burst was pretty special. Also, he's faster than 4.6.

I agree with this, however....

Originally Posted by MassNole

He hasn't looked nearly as fast this season after his knee injury. At the Combine I'd be surprised if he was sub 4.55 (which is still good for his size). But NFL teams can't overlook his injury history.

This is the truth as well. He looked pretty slow on his big run against UAB. Not nearly as fast or explosive as he was pre-ACL injury. The only thing that would've kept him from being a top 10 lock pick before he busted his knee was the fact that he had sooo many freakin' carries up to that point being such a workhorse, and NFL people know that a ton of carries for a power back in college usually translates to a shorter pro career.

[Ozzy]

Shane P. Hallam We discussed Lewan a bit on the last two podcasts, why Scott has him that high, and how it could change going forward.

Sorry I guess I never really listen to your guys podcast ever.

And really might have been a little hard on Lewan, he did play ok against Alabama just dumb penalties really I guess. Seantrel Henderson should be better than him and could be with his head out of his butt but doubt that will happen. And guys like Cameron Fleming and Morgan Moses should outplay Lewan and have more potential I feel. But Lewan gives better effort than they do on the field.

[thebow305]

Really starting to warm to Keenan Allen as the top WR in this draft. Scott, do you see him as the most complete WR in this draft, capable of being a legit #1 at the next level? What about Hunter? I could see both leapfrogging Woods by the time the draft rolls around.