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Old 09-20-2012, 03:22 PM    (permalink
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Neither of those is Alex Smith.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...S/SmitAl03.htm

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See above post. He is projecting Alex Smith's stats for this year

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id just like to say i dont think they are really that different. If you put #1 pick eli on the niners and **** with his coordinators and coaches for 7 straight years eli might be finally turning the corner as well.

Same thing with smith, maybe he could handle the pressure of NY throughout his struggles, he did handle a lot of scrutiny in SF and handled it pretty well, maybe he struggled at first and they kept plugging along with him. I mean im pretty impressed with the way smith is commanding the offense right now, but eli has been working at gaining control of that team since 2004 hes a master of that offense, smith is getting his first taste of familiarity

Same argument can be made for aaron rodgers and alex smith...put rodgers on the 9ers in 05 he is not the QB he is now...he was AWFUL backing up favre and he was made of glass. He takes over one year and does some good things and by year 2 hes a master of the position, a very familiar position/system he was in for multiple years.

its fun to debate and speculate, but really all this leads to is hurt feelings
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Well what matters is now. And both quarterbacks are playing pretty well currently. Not sure what a statistics comparison needs to be made. Alex Smith had a ****** deal his first six years in the league. Finally he has a good coaching staff that is actually helping him out.
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Ugh this just made me think of that horrible Alex Smith vs Alex Smith thread... I want to go hang myself right now.
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Ugh this just made me think of that horrible Alex Smith vs Alex Smith thread... I want to go hang myself right now.
I still don't understand what people disliked about that thread so much. If I had created a thread saying that Alex Smith after the Eagles game in 2010 was just as good as he was the first half of 2011 people would have laughed or ignored it without even bothering to look at the stats. Because everyone knows that Alex Smith only turned it around because of Harbaugh.

This argument is the same thing. If I had said that Alex Smith's first 82 starts were as good as Eli Manning's people would have laughed or ignored the stats. Because everyone knows Alex Smith sucks.

Looking at just the stats, including team record and stats from the rest of the team, is the only objective way to look at quarterbacks. I cannot mention Alex Smith and get people to objectively discuss his performance because, as I said, everyone knows Alex Smith sucks
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lol stats comparisons. because we all know that numbers mean everything, especially in a vacuum and especially when you ignore reality.

i just got the strangest sense of deja vu.
What reality is being ignored? Just curious.
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I still don't understand what people disliked about that thread so much. If I had created a thread saying that Alex Smith after the Eagles game in 2010 was just as good as he was the first half of 2011 people would have laughed or ignored it without even bothering to look at the stats. Because everyone knows that Alex Smith only turned it around because of Harbaugh.

This argument is the same thing. If I had said that Alex Smith's first 82 starts were as good as Eli Manning's people would have laughed or ignored the stats. Because everyone knows Alex Smith sucks.

Looking at just the stats, including team record and stats from the rest of the team, is the only objective way to look at quarterbacks. I cannot mention Alex Smith and get people to objectively discuss his performance because, as I said, everyone knows Alex Smith sucks
To be fair, you'd deserve to get laughed at because similar stats do nothing to prove your statement. Looking at just stats is the most ******** way to look at quarterbacks.
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I still don't understand what people disliked about that thread so much. If I had created a thread saying that Alex Smith after the Eagles game in 2010 was just as good as he was the first half of 2011 people would have laughed or ignored it without even bothering to look at the stats. Because everyone knows that Alex Smith only turned it around because of Harbaugh.

This argument is the same thing. If I had said that Alex Smith's first 82 starts were as good as Eli Manning's people would have laughed or ignored the stats. Because everyone knows Alex Smith sucks.

Looking at just the stats, including team record and stats from the rest of the team, is the only objective way to look at quarterbacks. I cannot mention Alex Smith and get people to objectively discuss his performance because, as I said, everyone knows Alex Smith sucks
Why is it necessary to point this out? No one really cares that Alex Smith's stats resemble Eli's for their first 82 starts.

Football is so much more than just stats but you want to confine it to a small subsection of the game that only matters to Fantasy Football players and people who want to drum up wild comparisons. I mean who really cares who threw the most touchdowns with their opposite hand in a Superbowl while the earth was attacked by a sentient race of super machines called reapers. Not many people that is who.

Sure most of us have seen growth and maturation in Smith but it is not only because of his numbers. Use stats to enhance arguments don't use stats to make arguments.
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my favorite part about anonymous stats?
how much they bother some of you
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I hate this scheduling. Starting on a wed, then sunday, and now a thurs night. This game is going to be a mess, playing so soon.
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**** that sstupid alex smith vss himself thread.

Dumbest **** ever.
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Why is it necessary to point this out? No one really cares that Alex Smith's stats resemble Eli's for their first 82 starts.

Football is so much more than just stats but you want to confine it to a small subsection of the game that only matters to Fantasy Football players and people who want to drum up wild comparisons. I mean who really cares who threw the most touchdowns with their opposite hand in a Superbowl while the earth was attacked by a sentient race of super machines called reapers. Not many people that is who.

Sure most of us have seen growth and maturation in Smith but it is not only because of his numbers. Use stats to enhance arguments don't use stats to make arguments.
You are acting like all I did was give the quarterback's numbers. I gave their stats, their team's record, their team's performance outside of the QB position and even put in fourth quarter comebacks.

Like I already said, if I just said that Smith through 82 starts was as good as Eli through 87 starts how many people would have just dismissed it without even bother to looking at the stats? Most of them
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I think it's proper if you draft a qb round 1 you give him 5 years. A lot of guys don't pan out right away. Like seriously Ben Roethlisbuerger didn't really progress as the passer he is now until his 4th/5th year. He was a game manager.

Manning didn't hit his stride til his 4th/5th year.

Too many give up on a guy after 2-3 years. Heck even Peyton manning three a ton of ints up to his 4th year. I think it was like 20 ?
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Just tell me what would have happened if I labeled the post Alex Smith through 82 starts vs. Eli Manning through 87 starts? I would have taken more heat than I am for trying to do it anonymously. There is no winning when trying to talk about Alex Smith because the preconceived notions of him sucking without Harbaugh and only being a game manager with him are so deep in people's minds that you cannot get them to talk about him objectively
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You are acting like all I did was give the quarterback's numbers. I gave their stats, their team's record, their team's performance outside of the QB position and even put in fourth quarter comebacks.

Like I already said, if I just said that Smith through 82 starts was as good as Eli through 87 starts how many people would have just dismissed it without even bother to looking at the stats? Most of them
It's ludicrous argument so what do the stats matter? If you just wanted to present a useless factoid that'd be one thing, but you seem to think these prove anything other than how desperately you want Alex Smith not to be a middle of the road starting QB, which they don't.

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Actually a lot of people like me. Please keep your falsehoods to yourself.
I'm calling shenanigans on this one.
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On Sunday, the 2-0 Falcons face the 2-0 Chargers in San Diego. And the game wonít be televised live in Southern California.

Earlier this week, the Chargers announced that more than 11,000 tickets remained. Itís unknown how close (or not) the Chargers came to selling enough seats to lift the curtain.
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I'm calling shenanigans on this one.
That's fine. Hell, I think a lot of what you say is pure garbage.

Believe what you like. As will I.
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That's fine. Hell, I think a lot of what you say is pure garbage.

Believe what you like. As will I.
So does Caddy, but he's terrible at being a human being to.
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Don't try and change the subject! There is a good 3-4 pages left of fighting to be done about mediocre current and former 49ers players like Manny Lawson and Alex Smith. That takes precedence! We could have a good Donte Whitner, Anthony Davis, or Michael Crabtree conversation ahead of us!

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So does Caddy, but he's terrible at being a human being to.
Well hey it looks like you got an apprentice in the making :)
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