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Old 09-21-2012, 11:38 AM    (permalink
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Just leave it alone guys. There's no point.
I wish this would have been realized like 5 pages ago...

Yes, Giants fans feel jilted that their two-time Superbowl winning clutch QB is repeatedly compared to a guy who, up until last season, was widely considered a bust. But really, who cares? You have the hardware. Winning a little internet debate settles nothing.
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If you really think Eli was as good early in his career as he is today then I am more worried about you tainting the gene pool.



Sorry if I don't consider someone being injured and not playing to be NFL experience.
sitting and learning while hurt is nfl experience.

your stats also don't consider durability. Which is part of an elite QB.

oh yeah, Shaun Hill man, Shaun Hill.

Shaun Hill just murdered this fun debate because it couldn't get any funnier. I like Smith, he can drive my bus, he can be a top 15 QB if you say so, but I'm through.

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If you really think Eli was as good early in his career as he is today then I am more worried about you tainting the gene pool.
You're right, the stats clearly prove it...

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I like seeing morons fail while trying to use logic, it's why I get a kick out of Fox News and MSNBC.
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:40 AM    (permalink
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Eli beat out Kurt ******* Warner. Kurt. Warner. you know, the guy who would later lead the Cardinals to a Super Bowl appearance. You know, that guy. BUT HE'S NO SHAUN HILL I'LL TELL YOU THAT!


and Shaun Hill was just called a solid starter. I really don't know what to say.


And yes, Eli did have more pass attempts...because he's more than a bus driver and has been his whole career, even as a young'in.
Eli never beat up Kurt Warner, it was never a competition. Warner sucked in Eli's rookie season so they put Eli in and then Warner left after the season. That isn't beating him out.

I don't get the Shaun Hill hate. He has a .500 record with two relatively bad teams and an almost 2:1 TD:INT ratio with an 85 passer rating.
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Eli has more pass attempts..... Yes because once again Elite Qbs are asked to do more than not turn the ball over for their team.
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Kyle Boller is a solid nfl starter guys.
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I wish this would have been realized like 5 pages ago...

Yes, Giants fans feel jilted that their two-time Superbowl winning clutch QB is repeatedly compared to a guy who, up until last season, was widely considered a bust. But really, who cares? You have the hardware. Winning a little internet debate settles nothing.
Isn't that what message boards are about though? Friendly debates. It's now going to evolve into if Shaun Hill was a solid starter or not, which is going to be HILARIOUS to watch unfold.

I bet you all think I'm lying, but I'm not jilted at all about the Eli thing. Whatever, I'm over debating Eli, he just used my favorite teams QB to try and say Smith could be elite so I felt like I could engage in the debate.
And Shaun Hill references. So many Shaun Hill references
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I mean seriously we need one team to have its homer fans come out and give us something to laugh at for the remainder of the NFL season year in and out around here.
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sitting and learning while hurt is nfl experience.

your stats also don't consider durability. Which is part of an elite QB.

oh yeah, Shaun Hill man, Shaun Hill.

Shaun Hill just murdered this fun debate because it couldn't get any funnier. I like Smith, he can drive my bus, he can be a top 15 QB if you say so, but I'm through.

Shaun. Hill.
Learning? From who? J.T. O'Sullivan? Mike Nolan? Mike Singletary? Jim Hostler? Jimmy Raye? Martz was there but, from all reports, he almost completely ignored Smith in favor of JTO, trying to prove he could make any QB good.

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Boller has a losing record, while playing on a pretty damn good team, more interceptions than touchdowns and a QB rating under 70. Clearly he is comparable to Shaun Hill. Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
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Also helps that he actually played.
Because unlike some QBs he managed to beat out the talent level of SHAUN HILL
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learning as in, you know, practice, how to read defenses, etc.

Also, being durable helps becoming an elite QB.

Also, he learned from solid starter Shaun Hill, obviously
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Shaun Hill top 20 QB...

Alex Smith top 10 QB...

Some random argument about how Ramses Barden is bad because he was almost cut...

I'm out of here.
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why? we can assume alex smith would've played the same way, because everything in the past evens out, no matter what.
Exactly. If Alex Smith had played he would have likely broken 20 touchdowns a couple of times and would have definitely has more completions, given his higher completion percentage. I am not sure what you are saying here? This supports my point that Alex Smith would have had larger numbers, in terms of completions and touchdowns, if he actually played.
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sometimes on windy days in madden i put shaun hill in when i want to throw deep to calvin, only because stafford will overthrow him by 40 yards when its windy

lol shaun hill
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"He won't be able to just use his arm power to throw defenders around at the next level!"

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Shaun Hill top 20 QB...

Alex Smith top 10 QB...

Some random argument about how Ramses Barden is bad because he was almost cut...

I'm out of here.
The cut thing might've been off on my part, but to talk like he's some super awesome WR is so wrong. Dude's done NOTHING in his career.

But actually, if you project his stats alongside those of Jerry Rice, they have very similar careers, so I can see how people could think he's about to be elite
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Because unlike some QBs he managed to beat out the talent level of SHAUN HILL
Eli was never even in a QB competition because, as I already stated, his team actually knew how to groom a young QB.
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Just based off stats, you could make the argument that Shaun Hill is a better QB than Alex Smith.

Based on their career stats projected over a 16 game season, Shaun Hill averages:

58 more completitons
66.8 more attempts
3.6% better completion percentage
519.7 more yards
5.8 more TDs
.68 less INTs
.17 higher YPA
7.97 high QB Rating
And they both have a .500 winning percentage as a starter

What does this tell me? That the only reason Alex Smith has even had the chance to put up the numbers he has is because he was the number one overall pick. He is no better than your average journeyman QB, let alone a two-time Super Bowl Champion.
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