2012 49ers Gameday Thread: Week 4: 49ers at Jets - Page 4

Ness · 09-30-2012, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by phlysac

Wow! I don't even.

Kaeperscuses, I guess.

I wasn't blaming Kaepernick.

VAfy-ya · 09-30-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by phlysac

One was a PI, one was overthrown, one was a shaky stab by Manningham. Agree that THE TEAM needs those plays, but they're not all on Alex.

I'm not talking about the p/i one....there was another two to Crabs that Alex overthrew. And it wasn't a shaky stab, if the ball was where its supposed to be, that's six points. You can't put that on MM, it was clearly overthrown. And yes, they are on Alex. When he makes plays, I defend him. We he misses plays, I criticize. Nothing more, nothing less. If we had been playing any QB other than Sanchez, this game could have have a totally different outcome. It's the QBs job to put the ball where his guys can make plays. He had a clean pocket on those throws. His WRs clearly had their defender beat. No excuses, those plays need to be converted. At least one of them. You have to see that.

Ness · 09-30-2012, 04:00 PM

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He hates me, so he just comes at me with the opposite of whatever I say. It used to be amusing, but now it's just an irritant.

Weird, I didn't even see you guys bickering in the thread. Meh.

Borat · 09-30-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by VAfy-ya

I'm not talking about the p/i one....there was another two to Crabs that Alex overthrew. And it wasn't a shaky stab, if the ball was where its supposed to be, that's six points. You can't put that on MM, it was clearly overthrown. And yes, they are on Alex. When he makes plays, I defend him. We he misses plays, I criticize. Nothing more, nothing less. If we had been playing any QB other than Sanchez, this game could have have a totally different outcome. It's the QBs job to put the ball where his guys can make plays. He had a clean pocket on those throws. His WRs clearly had their defender beat. No excuses, those plays need to be converted. At least one of them. You have to see that.

Agree 100%. Those were overthrows.

Borat · 09-30-2012, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ness

Weird, I didn't even see you guys bickering in the thread. Meh.

I have to ignore him most of the time. He's just a contrarian and I hate e-arguing.

Ness · 09-30-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by VAfy-ya

I'm not talking about the p/i one....there was another two to Crabs that Alex overthrew. And it wasn't a shaky stab, if the ball was where its supposed to be, that's six points. You can't put that on MM, it was clearly overthrown. And yes, they are on Alex. When he makes plays, I defend him. We he misses plays, I criticize. Nothing more, nothing less. If we had been playing any QB other than Sanchez, this game could have have a totally different outcome. It's the QBs job to put the ball where his guys can make plays. He had a clean pocket on those throws. His WRs clearly had their defender beat. No excuses, those plays need to be converted. At least one of them. You have to see that.

Meh. Could have been worse. Cassel or Fitzpatrick might have thrown a pick. Gabbert too maybe?

But yeah, those deep throws need to be worked on. I don't know if Alex can improve his deep ball accuracy, but...he needs to do something. I'm glad they at least tried attacking down the field every so often instead of well, just not doing it.

phlysac · 09-30-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ness

I wasn't blaming Kaepernick.

Exactly. What would you have said if Alex threw a bomb into triple coverage?

Borat · 09-30-2012, 04:06 PM

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Meh. Could have been worse. Cassel or Fitzpatrick might have thrown a pick. Gabbert too maybe?

But yeah, those deep throws need to be worked on. I don't know if Alex can improve his deep ball accuracy, but...he needs to do something. I'm glad they at least tried attacking down the field every so often instead of well, just not doing it.

They may not have connected on the deep throws, but that really opened up the middle of the field which is the important side-effect of stretching the defense deep.

VAfy-ya · 09-30-2012, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by abaddon41_80

What phylsac said, he only really missed one of those.

I don't think his deep accuracy is all that bad. It isn't great but it is at least average. The 49ers offense just doesn't go deep.

I understand that and accept that. What do you think me and Ness having been arguing about in regards to taking deep shots to Moss? But when we DO go deep....and two of those throws were more intermediate touch throws that could have gone for huge gains because it was man coverage, you need your QB to make them pay for going one-on-one versus your playmakers. That's the reason we brought them here....to beat man coverage, which they did. Their QB failed to do his part and deliver a catchable ball in those instances.

phlysac · 09-30-2012, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by VAfy-ya

And it wasn't a shaky stab, if the ball was where its supposed to be, that's six points. You can't put that on MM, it was clearly overthrown.

I disagree. It wasn't a "drop" but timing is so very, very important on those throws. It hit Manningham's hand in-stride. It was "almost" perfectly thrown, and then you consider the speed lost when Manningham had to hand-fight Wilson.

There's a difference between barely missing on a bomb or completely overthrowing a bomb.

Agree that connnections need to be made, but I'm not blaming a bad throw IN THAT INSTANCE.

Borat · 09-30-2012, 04:08 PM

I really hope we get Manningham more touches. He looks dangerous out there.

Ness · 09-30-2012, 04:09 PM

Hey Smith 11.9 yards per pass today.

Ness · 09-30-2012, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by phlysac

Exactly. What would you have said if Alex threw a bomb into triple coverage?

That Moss didn't haul in the pass. Just like I said here.

Don't know what you're getting at.

phlysac · 09-30-2012, 04:11 PM

Yep. 11.9/pass. 284 yards rushing. 34-0 victory. Sadly we're spending our time arguing QB play. :(

Borat · 09-30-2012, 04:12 PM

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Yep. 11.9/pass. 284 yards rushing. 34-0 victory. Sadly we're spending our time arguing QB play. :(

I tried to switch it to Manningham! lol.

VAfy-ya · 09-30-2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ness

Meh. Could have been worse. Cassel or Fitzpatrick might have thrown a pick. Gabbert too maybe?

But yeah, those deep throws need to be worked on. I don't know if Alex can improve his deep ball accuracy, but...he needs to do something. I'm glad they at least tried attacking down the field every so often instead of well, just not doing it.

The thing is, after seeing Alex deliver beautiful touch passes to VD during the playoffs last year, I thought Alex had turned a corner in his accuracy and touch. But it seems if its not VD, his touch disappears. He threw a nice touch pass to VD today. I don't know if he just trust VD more so he just throws it up and worries less but its evident he doesn't posses that same touch to other WRs.

Ness · 09-30-2012, 04:14 PM

Well anyways, I'm going to be in China and Macau for the next three games. I might be able to see them via streams though. I can always torrent them later.

The Bills come here next. Should be a win and more turnovers for our defense. Fitzpatrick is trigger happy.

Ness · 09-30-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by VAfy-ya

The thing is, after seeing Alex deliver beautiful touch passes to VD during the playoffs last year, I thought Alex had turned a corner in his accuracy and touch. But it seems if its not VD, his touch disappears. He threw a nice touch pass to VD today. I don't know if he just trust VD more so he just throws it up and worries less but its evident he doesn't posses that same touch to other WRs.

Well he's been around Davis a very long time. Maybe that has something to do with it.

abaddon41_80 · 09-30-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by VAfy-ya

I understand that and accept that. What do you think me and Ness having been arguing about in regards to taking deep shots to Moss? But when we DO go deep....and two of those throws were more intermediate touch throws that could have gone for huge gains because it was man coverage, you need your QB to make them pay for going one-on-one versus your playmakers. That's the reason we brought them here....to beat man coverage, which they did. Their QB failed to do his part and deliver a catchable ball in those instances.

I felt that Smith dropped it in perfectly to Manningham. Manningham had just been held, which wouldn't have even mattered if he hadn't started running to the middle of the field instead of staying on the sideline. The one the Crabtree was a huge overthrow, though. No excuses

phlysac · 09-30-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by VAfy-ya

The thing is, after seeing Alex deliver beautiful touch passes to VD during the playoffs last year, I thought Alex had turned a corner in his accuracy and touch. But it seems if its not VD, his touch disappears. He threw a nice touch pass to VD today. I don't know if he just trust VD more so he just throws it up and worries less but its evident he doesn't posses that same touch to other WRs.

I absolutely agree. There HAS to be some accountability outside of the QB if he is deadly accurate to one guy but often "just misses" to others.

Again, I say "some" accountability. Not "all."

phlysac · 09-30-2012, 04:19 PM

I'm just stumped why Delanie Walker and Bruce Miller were targeted 5 times more than VD and Moss, combined.

phlysac · 09-30-2012, 04:20 PM

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Well he's been around Davis a very long time. Maybe that has something to do with it.

I agree that continuity and familiarity and reps have a TON to do with it.

VAfy-ya · 09-30-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by phlysac

I disagree. It wasn't a "drop" but timing is so very, very important on those throws. It hit Manningham's hand in-stride. It was "almost" perfectly thrown, and then you consider the speed lost when Manningham had to hand-fight Wilson.

There's a difference between barely missing on a bomb or completely overthrowing a bomb.

Agree that connnections need to be made, but I'm not blaming a bad throw IN THAT INSTANCE.

It hit Manningham's hand(not plural). And he had to leap to get that one hand on it barely. Yes, timing is part of it but a open WR streaking down the sidelines shouldn't require a after practice throwing session. Most starting NFL QBs should make that throw, 9 times out of 10. I'm not putting it all of it on Alex. I'm not happy with the play-calling to some extent too. But those 3 throws are ones I expect Alex to make. He didn't make them.

binary · 09-30-2012, 04:26 PM

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Well he's been around Davis a very long time. Maybe that has something to do with it.

I also think it's because VD is so strong, his speed and body don't't get altered by any contact. On his overthrows today, there was always contact between Wr and DB, and Alex missed by a hair.

I was more upset with those sacks Alex took, the overthrows were more of a team breakdown. Can't be taking those drive killing sacks.

VAfy-ya · 09-30-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by phlysac

I absolutely agree. There HAS to be some accountability outside of the QB if he is deadly accurate to one guy but often "just misses" to others.

Again, I say "some" accountability. Not "all."

But that's a slippery slope. So I have to wait for 5 year before Alex develops that same touch with other WRs? That doesn't strike you as odd? It shouldn't be that difficult a task is all I'm saying. I see different QBs balling with back-up WRs, new additions just activated or picked up off the waiver wire every week that they haven't had much time with. Alex is just not very accurate the longer the ball is in the air. That's the bottom line. Doesn't mean we can't win with him but let's call it what it is.