Quarterbacks Better than Matt Cassel - Page 3

vidae · 10-01-2012, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

I think it's fair to say that Earl Thomas is officially better than Eric Berry though.

Oh and yeah. Cassel sucks.

We'll go ahead and tear his ACL and see how he does after coming back.

Babylon · 10-01-2012, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bucfan12

Yep. This is what I';ve been trying to explain to the still clue-less buc fans (not on this forum, friends ) who still think it's not Josh Freeman its the team/coaching staff.

The talent on the roster is there, but the execution is poor. But the blame constantly goes to the oline and WRs and playcalling. Its Freeman.

I'm going to say you know more about what goes on in Buc land than i do but if the defense does their job at the end of the game yesterday they win and not sure Josh Freeman's name comes up today. I could be wrong.

Halsey · 10-01-2012, 04:51 PM

I stopped reading at Levi Brown. He doesn't even play QB, noob!

San Diego Chicken · 10-01-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae

Woah, a rookie LG with his first starting experience and a rookie NT with his third game of starting experience looked overwhelmed? The hell you say!

And who shuts down Gates one on one? Gates is one of the best TEs to ever play the game and Berry is coming back from major knee surgery. I'm not shocked he struggled against him at all. I'm shocked that RAC didn't roll coverage over to help out with Gates at all in the first half.

I'll give you Belcher and the DEs though. That is fair.

Point is, it isn't ideal to be starting two rookies at critical trench positions. It sets them and the whole team up for failure. Depth is just as important as "talent" and probably moreso.

Thomas DeCoud had no problems with Gates last week. DeCoud, just using him as an example, is a quantum leap up from Berry in man coverage. Unfortunately for us Charger fans, Gates isn't nearly what he was a few seasons ago.

vidae · 10-01-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by San Diego Chicken

Point is, it isn't ideal to be starting two rookies at critical trench positions. It sets them and the whole team up for failure. Depth is just as important as "talent" and probably moreso.

Neither would be starting except for injuries. Rodney Hudson went down last week with a broken leg and Anthony Toribio hasn't played a game yet due to a training camp injury. Neither were supposed to start but injuries happen.

T-RICH49 · 10-01-2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae

We'll go ahead and have Stevie Johnson blantently end his season and see how he does after coming back.

Fixed it for you

San Diego Chicken · 10-01-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae

Neither would be starting except for injuries. Rodney Hudson went down last week with a broken leg and Anthony Toribio hasn't played a game yet due to a training camp injury. Neither were supposed to start but injuries happen.

Like I said, depth is extremely important. Also ask yourself is Anthony Toribio the ideal anchor for your 3-4 defense? If that's who you were relying on, it's a problem. I'm pretty sure they drafted Poe to be the starter.

vidae · 10-01-2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by San Diego Chicken

Like I said, depth is extremely important. Also ask yourself is Anthony Toribio the ideal anchor for your 3-4 defense? If that's who you were relying on, it's a problem. I'm pretty sure they drafted Poe to be the starter.

Poe was drafted to be the starter, but not the immediate starter. Toribio is a technician, nothing more, but it was thought they could have won with him in the middle.

Caulibflower · 10-01-2012, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Halsey

I stopped reading at Levi Brown. He doesn't even play QB, noob!

Drafted out of Troy a couple years ago.

Noob!

The Alex · 10-01-2012, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by San Diego Chicken

Also, Eric Berry is probably the most overrated player in the whole NFL. He's just not good in M2M coverage at all.

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Originally Posted by San Diego Chicken

Berry was poor in coverage in 2010 too.

San Diego Chicken · 10-01-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae

Poe was drafted to be the starter, but not the immediate starter. Toribio is a technician, nothing more, but it was thought they could have won with him in the middle.

Fair enough. Sometimes you just have to roll with what you have, I understand that.

I think the Chiefs need to go back to more of a 4-3 look personally.

San Diego Chicken · 10-01-2012, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Alex

I guess that meme is supposed to indicate that I'm wrong?

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...l-rookie-team/

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Safety – Eric Berry, Kansas City Chiefs

When he came into the league, he looked out of his depth in the passing game and then some. But as the season wore on the plays started coming — you can’t help but be excited about watching him next year. If he can eradicate most of those coverage issues he could be an All-Pro for many years to come.

For the record I don't take PFF as the end all be all. But I knew Berry wasn't good in coverage because I, you know, watched.

The Alex · 10-01-2012, 05:23 PM

Notice the stuff you didn't bold strengthens my position. Most overrated player in the NFL my ass.

Splat · 10-01-2012, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by San Diego Chicken

I think the Chiefs need to go back to more of a 4-3 look personally.

No no and more no.

San Diego Chicken · 10-01-2012, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Alex

Notice the stuff you didn't bold strengthens my position. Most overrated player in the NFL my ass.

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...ighlight=berry

Look at how many SWDC posters put Berry in their top 5 safeties.

San Diego Chicken · 10-01-2012, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Splat

No no and more no.

To me it's either that or draft an entirely new DL. I don't think Poe can succeed as a 0 technique but maybe I'm writing him off too early. He just looks really soft. He spent most of the day yesterday on his butt.

The Alex · 10-01-2012, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by San Diego Chicken

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...as+reed+weddle

Look at how many SWDC posters put Berry in their top 5 safeties.

You say he's overrated, provide a source that says so, but then that very same source says:

But as the season wore on the plays started coming — you can’t help but be excited about watching him next year.

and

could be an All-Pro for many years to come.

So if they knock a player you don't like, it's justified and agreeable but if they praise a player you don't like, they're just adding into the overrated hype of the player. Did I get that right?

TonyGfortheTD · 10-01-2012, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by San Diego Chicken

To me it's either that or draft an entirely new DL. I don't think Poe can succeed as a 0 technique but maybe I'm writing him off too early. He just looks really soft. He spent most of the day yesterday on his butt.

Look at this guy thinking he knows what he's talking about.

The Chiefs actually have pieces in place to run a good one gap line, but insist on running off an old bend but don't break system. Drafting Dontari Poe to be in a two gap system was another incredibly dumb decision by our General Manager.

descendency · 10-01-2012, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by San Diego Chicken

I guess that meme is supposed to indicate that I'm wrong?

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...l-rookie-team/

For the record I don't take PFF as the end all be all. But I knew Berry wasn't good in coverage because I, you know, watched.

Most (all?) safeties suck man to man. That's why they are safeties.

Brodeur · 10-01-2012, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by San Diego Chicken

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...ighlight=berry

Look at how many SWDC posters put Berry in their top 5 safeties.

You want to know who is way more overrated? Ndamukong Suh. He makes a significant impact maybe 6 games out of the year, and is regularly outplayed by Corey Williams on the inside. Berry's still coming back from the ACL tear, it's hard to do as a safety. And PFF talked about how his coverage issues improved as the year went on, so I'm not sure what your point is.

San Diego Chicken · 10-01-2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Alex

You say he's overrated, provide a source that says so, but then that very same source says:

But as the season wore on the plays started coming — you can’t help but be excited about watching him next year.

and

could be an All-Pro for many years to come.

So if they knock a player you don't like, it's justified and agreeable but if they praise a player you don't like, they're just adding into the overrated hype of the player. Did I get that right?

They praised Berry's potential. The perception was/is that Berry is an upper echelon safety. You can't see the difference?

onejayhawk · 10-01-2012, 05:55 PM

I cannot believe Painter is considered better than anyone, ever.

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The Alex · 10-01-2012, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by San Diego Chicken

They praised Berry's potential. The perception was/is that Berry is an upper echelon safety. You can't see the difference?

And you don't think people in that thread were rating some of the guys on potential?

y.f.s. · 10-01-2012, 05:58 PM

Brady Quinn is getting a look in practice, so there's that.

Bulldogs · 10-01-2012, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

You want to know who is way more overrated? Ndamukong Suh. He makes a significant impact maybe 6 games out of the year, and is regularly outplayed by Corey Williams on the inside. Berry's still coming back from the ACL tear, it's hard to do as a safety. And PFF talked about how his coverage issues improved as the year went on, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Ndamukong Suh is just another typical thug Lions player. What a classless organization.

**** you Brodeur