Quarterbacks Better than Matt Cassel - Page 4

San Diego Chicken · 10-01-2012, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by descendency

Most (all?) safeties suck man to man. That's why they are safeties.

I tend to disagree with that. Some safeties are talented enough to cover a slot or TE 1 on 1. But even if all safeties sucked M2M, some suck more than others.

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

You want to know who is way more overrated? Ndamukong Suh. He makes a significant impact maybe 6 games out of the year, and is regularly outplayed by Corey Williams on the inside. Berry's still coming back from the ACL tear, it's hard to do as a safety. And PFF talked about how his coverage issues improved as the year went on, so I'm not sure what your point is.

They said he started making more plays. My point was, overall, that Berry struggled in coverage in 2010 before his ACL injury.

TonyGfortheTD · 10-01-2012, 06:00 PM

Actual change I can believe in.

https://www.change.org/petitions/cla...ch-matt-cassel

Make it happen and you got my vote Obama

San Diego Chicken · 10-01-2012, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Alex

And you don't think people in that thread were rating some of the guys on potential?

If they did, it was not the intended point of the thread.

TonyGfortheTD · 10-01-2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by San Diego Chicken

They said he started making more plays. My point was, overall, that Berry struggled in coverage in 2010 before his ACL injury.

A rookie being handed a ton of responsibilities having struggles?

My monocle is literally popping off my face as we speak.

San Diego Chicken · 10-01-2012, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyGfortheTD

A rookie being handed a ton of responsibilities having struggles?

My monocle is literally popping off my face as we speak.

So he did struggle? Then go ahead and explain that to The Alex who is under the impression that he didn't. That's the context of this whole conversation.

The Alex · 10-01-2012, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by San Diego Chicken

So he did struggle? Then go ahead and explain that to The Alex who is under the impression that he didn't. That's the context of this whole conversation.

He, like every most other rookies in the history of the NFL, struggled early on and improved as the season went on. Furthermore, we're talking about man-to-man coverage which as stated before, is not overly vital for a safety.

CashmoneyDrew · 10-01-2012, 06:17 PM

Anyone caught badmouthing the saint that is Eric Berry will be forced to live under the stairs at the Dursley household.

Test me.

Caulibflower · 10-01-2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by San Diego Chicken

They praised Berry's potential. The perception was/is that Berry is an upper echelon safety. You can't see the difference?

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Originally Posted by The Alex

And you don't think people in that thread were rating some of the guys on potential?

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Originally Posted by San Diego Chicken

If they did, it was not the intended point of the thread.

My two cents: Berry showed a lot of promise as a high-profile rookie, which led to people getting excited about his potential and anticipating that he would soon become an elite safety. In his rookie year, he was not - he was a rookie with some elite ability who flashed at times and got burned at other times. The times he got burned is what Chicken is talking about, obviously. He's not trying to take away anything from Berry's athleticism or whatever, but simply his current quality as a football player. How many rookies come in and as rookies play at an All-Pro level? Very, very few. Yet how many rookies do we get excited about, and give lots of press to? Many of them, Eric Berry included. When you take that - the press coverage he got from being an elite collegiate player, a blue-chip draft prospect and then a great rookie season - you end up with people assuming that there will be continued progress, and by his third year a lot of people just think, "Oh, Eric Berry? He was a great prospect and had a good rookie year, and would've been even better if he hadn't torn his ACL. And now it's his third year and he must be an elite player by now... right?"

And the answer is "no." He's a good player. But there's no reason to call him elite yet. Or even top-5. He's a good starter, but he's got work to do. Losing a season to an ACL early in a player's career means a player is NOT going to continue on whatever career trajectory they were travelling prior to their injury. So the people who are defending Berry by pointing to his ACL injury are sort of half-right; it's a major setback, and it definitely means that he's not playing at the level he might be had he never been injured. It means that we don't have a full idea of what he might offer if he was completely healthy and had another season of starting experience. But as it is right now, this is sort of a situation, really, of a guy who's playing his second season with a year lost to injury between this season and his rookie year. That's a lot to overcome, and as good of a prospect as Berry is, we need to keep that in context and realize that he's still a very young player with room for improvement; he's not just automatically a great player now because we think, "Well, it's about time he ought to be." It's just the way it goes. Good player? Yeah, no problem giving him that. Just don't think there's much reason to insist he's a great safety. What are you pointing to? What makes him a great safety? If you're ranking the best safeties in the NFL right now, I really don't think there's a strong case to be made for including Berry, but at the same time, any person who's followed his career knows that it's not out of reach for him.

Splat · 10-01-2012, 06:53 PM

I bet Eric Berry is a better QB than Matt Cassel.

vidae · 10-01-2012, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Splat

I bet Eric Berry is a better QB than Matt Cassel.

Berry was a QB in HS so I don't doubt that he would be better than Matt Cassel right now.

SuperPacker · 10-01-2012, 07:01 PM

I underestimated how **** Matt Cassell actually was :(

bucfan12 · 10-01-2012, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon

I'm going to say you know more about what goes on in Buc land than i do but if the defense does their job at the end of the game yesterday they win and not sure Josh Freeman's name comes up today. I could be wrong.

You are pretty wrong, but take no offense to it.

Freeman dug the defense in an early hole. The 1st half Drives consisted of these results:
1. Punt
2. Field Goal
3. 3 and out
4. 3 and out
5. 3 and out
6. INT inside the Tampa bay 35 yardline
7. 3 and out
8. Field Goal.

Also, on that last drive before the defense gave up the score, Freeman throws a terrible ball right in the hands of the Redskins CB. Mike Williams gives them hope by wrestling it away and playing defense breaking up an INT. Funny thing is, V-Jackson was running WIDE OPEN and Freeman didn't see him, some how right in the middle of the field. Heck I even saw him.

And it was likle that the whole game.

He put the defense in terrible position and gassed them the entire day. He moved the ball against a horrid defense, but it was moreo f the WRs making plays late in the ball game. But on anticipation routes, he's horrible