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Marshall spitting out confusing metaphors. I've read some of what he has written about his personality disorder and he can be a really good writer, he's just confusing as hell when speaking though...
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Well get Ratliff back for Baltimore and Spencer was indeed missed tonight. I need to be more forgiving of criticizing him.

2-2 is what it is. You only hated those wins cause it didn't give you a chance to ramble.

My frustration remains with Romo.
"Packers offense is more efficient." Lance Briggs

LOL!!!!!! Ya think?

Dude, what is most annoying is you call it rambling when it is 100% true.

Jerry Jones is a football disease. The organizational football synapses simply disintegrate in his presence. He has not a clue how to build a winning organization.

This team will go 5-11. JG will be fired. Jerry will sign some big name and sell more tickets. Big names on the team will get old together racking up mediocre season after mediocre season..

Pray we get a franchise QB somewhere in the future and senility does what common sense could not. Get Jones out.

Going on 17/18 years without an SB appearance and 1 Playoff win in 16 years?

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Just like you live on HOPE that Jerry will run a professional football organization and stumble onto a SB, I HOPE when he dies of natural causes the family sells b/c they are clearly out of their league.
I only HOPE and CHEER for my team to get better. We've had enough success stories to make me happy and hopeful.

If you're hoping the Jones' will sell the team, you're the one hoping for an impossibility.

The funniest thing is you LOVE when the Cowboys lose like this and yet it makes you more mad than anyone else at the same time. You love it more than anyone and you hate it more than anyone. Your blow ups are a forum classic. Don't stop Bob. Don't ever stop.
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"Packers offense is more efficient." Lance Briggs

LOL!!!!!! Ya think?

Dude, what is most annoying is you call it rambling when it is 100% true.

Jerry Jones is a football disease. The organizational football synapses simply disintegrate in his presence.
Jerry Jones is a harmless old man. He's only a face of the franchise. He makes no decisions regarding player acquisition or player salary. The coaches and scouts handle the draft and Stephen handles the player salaries. In FA Jerry buys who his coaches want. Jerry only works trades, but doesn't always screw that up.
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I only HOPE and CHEER for my team to get better. We've had enough success stories to make me happy and hopeful.

If you're hoping the Jones' will sell the team, you're the one hoping for an impossibility.

The funniest thing is you LOVE when the Cowboys lose like this and yet it makes you more mad than anyone else at the same time. You love it more than anyone and you hate it more than anyone. Your blow ups are a forum classic. Don't stop Bob. Don't ever stop.
No, sadly, I don't.

I just see the same type of team year after year.
  • Soft
  • Mistake Prone
  • Filled with excuses
  • Lots of champagne and press conferences
  • No commitment to doing the hard stuff first

What else to say .... That is Jerry Jones legacy after he burned off Jimmy Johnson lighting in a bottle and let his massive ego get stoned on it.
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No, sadly, I don't.

I just see the same type of team year after year.
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  • Filled with excuses
  • Lots of champagne and press conferences
  • No commitment to doing the hard stuff first

What else to say .... That is Jerry Jones legacy after he burned off Jimmy Johnson lighting in a bottle.
I really don't know why you're hanging onto the idea that Jimmy was so great. The Cowboys won because Jerry could spend as much as he wanted to build the best team and he did. Don't hate Jerry for firing Jimmy. Hate the NFL for implementing a salary cap. LOL.
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Dez Bryant a go-to guy?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steve Young is on crack.

That guy in Dallas is Austin. Why he lost that job to Dez is beyond me. Dude racked up some great numbers (and wins) when he was the show.

If only the entire organization opened it eyes to actual results instead of looking at guys in tights and how awesome they look in practice.

Dear lord. Dez Bryant is an immature idiot. How the hell do you build a passing offense around him?

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Man, I can't believe that the Dallas Cowboys, with all that talent on offense, are the lowest scoring team in the NFL right now, of all the teams that have played 4 games.

You'd think that an offense with Tony Romo, Jason Witten, Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, DeMarco Murray and two borderline elite OTs (Tyron Smith for sure and maybe Doug Free) would be able to put up more than 16.2 points per game...
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I really don't know why you're hanging onto the idea that Jimmy was so great. The Cowboys won because Jerry could spend as much as he wanted to build the best team and he did. Don't hate Jerry for firing Jimmy. Hate the NFL for implementing a salary cap. LOL.
Right, Jerry has nothing to do with it.

Entire team has turned over in the last twenty years except for Jerry.
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Right, Jerry has nothing to do with it.

Entire team has turned over in the last twenty years except for Jerry.
That's not even a logical point. Jerry has been transitioning out of the picture. What he does now is not the same as what he used to do. There's plenty of blame to go around, but for you it's all Jerry's fault. Indirectly, sure.. we can go there... but there's a lot of other places to share the direct blame.

There's a lot I don't like about the Cowboys, but there's enough to think we can win some more games and maybe squeeze something out of this season.
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I really don't know why you're hanging onto the idea that Jimmy was so great. The Cowboys won because Jerry could spend as much as he wanted to build the best team and he did. Don't hate Jerry for firing Jimmy. Hate the NFL for implementing a salary cap. LOL.
This is actually wrong.

The Cowboys built that dynasty primarily because Jimmy Johnson a.) acquired a boatload of draft picks via the Herschel Walker trade and thus had a competitive advantage over every other team in the NFL when it came to acquiring young talent and b.) was fresh out of college and knew all of the good college players to draft after spending years recruiting them and game-planning against them, which gave him a further advantage over other NFL teams when it came to drafting young college talent

It also helped to hit on some big-time offensive line talent in the later rounds such as Erik Williams, elite guys that they otherwise would have had to draft high.

They spent some bucks on Charles Haley and later Deion Sanders, but the core of that team (the Aikman-Irvin-Smith trio plus Daryl Johnston and Alvin Harper and the beasts on the offensive line such as Erik Wiliams and Mark Stepnoski, along with all of the young defensive studs they drafted - Darren Woodson, Russell Maryland, Kevin Smith, Leon Lett, Tony Tolbert) was drafted and developed by Jimmy Johnson, due in no small part to his plethora of draft picks from the Walker robbery and his knowledge of the college talent pool at the time.

Something like the 90s Cowboys dynasty will likely never be duplicated again unless some team pulls off another highway robbery the likes of the Herschel walker trade. (I'm looking at you, Jeff Fisher...)
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Man, I can't believe that the Dallas Cowboys, with all that talent on offense, are the lowest scoring team in the NFL right now, of all the teams that have played 4 games.

You'd think that an offense with Tony Romo, Jason Witten, Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, DeMarco Murray and two borderline elite OTs (Tyron Smith for sure and maybe Doug Free) would be able to put up more than 16.2 points per game...
That's the thing though, our offensive talent has been underwhelming this year, mostly because of the offensive line. Everyone, and Free included, outside of Tyron Smith has been complete dogshit. Just ******* terrible. The fumble that Briggs took back, Bernadeu got completely owned. They can't run block to save their lives. Witten hasn't been himself until today, Dez is inconsistent as hell and Austin can't stay healthy. The only saving grace on this team is the defense.
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And for the record, if you weren't paying attention, three of those INTs were NOT Romo's fault. One was a failed hot read by Dez, the second was the drop by Ogletree and the third should have been a fumble cause Bernadeu can't ******* block anyone.
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That's not even a logical point. Jerry has been transitioning out of the picture. What he does now is not the same as what he used to do. There's plenty of blame to go around, but for you it's all Jerry's fault. Indirectly, sure.. we can go there... but there's a lot of other places to share the direct blame.

There's a lot I don't like about the Cowboys, but there's enough to think we can win some more games and maybe squeeze something out of this season.
Point is he is still there ... and has been for years.

If after so many years, it starts at the top.

You are a Jones apologist. He runs a soft organization that is very poor at identifying and addressing problems and develops no front office talent.

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This is actually wrong.

The Cowboys built that dynasty primarily because Jimmy Johnson a.) acquired a boatload of draft picks via the Herschel Walker trade and thus had a competitive advantage over every other team in the NFL when it came to acquiring young talent and b.) was fresh out of college and knew all of the good college players to draft after spending years recruiting them and game-planning against them, which gave him a further advantage over other NFL teams when it came to drafting young college talent

It also helped to hit on some big-time offensive line talent in the later rounds such as Erik Williams, elite guys that they otherwise would have had to draft high.

They spent some bucks on Charles Haley and later Deion Sanders, but the core of that team (the Aikman-Irvin-Smith trio plus Daryl Johnston and Alvin Harper and the beasts on the offensive line such as Erik Wiliams and Mark Stepnoski, along with all of the young defensive studs they drafted - Darren Woodson, Russell Maryland, Kevin Smith, Leon Lett, Tony Tolbert) was drafted and developed by Jimmy Johnson, due in no small part to his plethora of draft picks from the Walker robbery and his knowledge of the college talent pool at the time.

Something like the 90s Cowboys dynasty will likely never be duplicated again unless some team pulls off another highway robbery the likes of the Herschel walker trade. (I'm looking at you, Jeff Fisher...)
So Jimmy Johnson made that Hershel Walker trade? You sure about that?

Jimmy developed all those guys but what? Couldn't develop anyone else after he left Dallas? Something fishy about that idea.
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What you Cowboys fans don't understand is that it all comes down to talent. The only way to build a dynasty in the NFL is to get a franchise QB and then simply out-talent everyone else.

The way you do that is through the draft. Jimmy Johnson wasn't vastly better as a talent evaluator or coach than most others, but in the early 90s he was sipmly in the right place at the right time - fresh out of college coaching with tons of inside info on all the up-and-coming draft prospects, and being on the giving end of the greatest highway robbery in the history of pro sports: the Herschel Walker trade.

It was simply a once-in-a-generation type of situation in which Jimmy was gifted two first round picks plus multiple other picks in consecutive years, and then he was lucky enough to hit on the majority of the picks he made. All that talent came together and dominated the league for a number of years.

Plenty of other coaches could have done the same had they been in that situation, so there is nothing inherently special about Jimmy, but he happened to, again, be in the right place at the right time and he was competent enough to make it happen.
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So Jimmy Johnson made that Hershel Walker trade? You sure about that?

Jimmy developed all those guys but what? Couldn't develop anyone else after he left Dallas? Something fishy about that idea.
Yeah, it was Jerry who put those teams together and made them tough enough to out muscle some great SB winning teams like Wash and GMen and over come that nasty Philly Team.

All Jerry.
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Point is he is still there ... and has been for years.

If after so many years, it starts at the top.

You are a Jones apologist.
That's not even true as I blast Jerry for things all the time. This team is clumsy because we have a clumsy QB who lacks good leadership skills.
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So Jimmy Johnson made that Hershel Walker trade? You sure about that?

Jimmy developed all those guys but what? Couldn't develop anyone else after he left Dallas? Something fishy about that idea.
Jerry brokered the trade itself, but I think Jimmy had a large part in selecting the players they drafted with all of those draft picks that they received.

The point of this post is to simply illustrate the the 90s Cowboys were kind of flukey, in that they were created because of a flukey trade that will probably never happen again in which one team (Minnesota) got royally ripped off by another team (Dallas) that used Minnesota's resources for several years to build a talent base that was the best in the NFL for a period of time.

Once Jimmy moved on from Dallas, he didn't have a competitive advantage anymore like he did in Dallas, because his new teams didn't have tons of stolen draft picks to worth with, and neither was Jimmy fresh out of college with inside info on all the draft prospects.
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What you Cowboys fans don't understand is that it all comes down to talent. The only way to build a dynasty in the NFL is to get a franchise QB and then simply out-talent everyone else.

The way you do that is through the draft. Jimmy Johnson wasn't vastly better as a talent evaluator or coach than most others, but in the early 90s he was sipmly in the right place at the right time - fresh out of college coaching with tons of inside info on all the up-and-coming draft prospects, and being on the giving end of the greatest highway robbery in the history of pro sports: the Herschel Walker trade.

It was simply a once-in-a-generation type of situation in which Jimmy was gifted two first round picks plus multiple other picks in consecutive years, and then he was lucky enough to hit on the majority of the picks he made. All that talent came together and dominated the league for a number of years.

Plenty of other coaches could have done the same had they been in that situation, so there is nothing inherently special about Jimmy, but he happened to, again, be in the right place at the right time and he was competent enough to make it happen.
But even that talent unwound itself in two years without Johnson.

In fact, the Switzer SB got plenty lucky to win that one. They got bailed out in the Packers Game by Aikman Irvin. Neil Odonell gifted Larry Brown two INTs in a close game.

Jimmy Johnson could have easily squeezed at least two more SB from that team and another 3-4 of high level NFC Championship levels in the late 90s.

Coaching really matters and Player Development does also.
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