New York Giants Discussion - Page 278

Rosebud · 10-05-2012, 11:59 AM

We really need Nicks and Kenny to be back next week. Hosley would be nice to, but those two we have to have back.

NY+Giants=NYG · 10-05-2012, 12:15 PM

Put the JV team in! One would think it's week 15 or 16 in the season with everyone hurt. Nope! Week 5 baby!

So I guess, Cruz, Hixon, and then JJ and Randle as our Wr corps.

Giantsfan1080 · 10-05-2012, 12:34 PM

Boley, Rolle, Snee, Webster questionable.

scottyboy · 10-05-2012, 01:09 PM

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Boley, Rolle, Snee, Webster questionable.

WHAT THE ****

I expect Rolle and Webster to play though

Giantsfan1080 · 10-05-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by scottyboy

WHAT THE ****

I expect Rolle and Webster to play though

Ummmmmm go Scarlet Knights! Forenci will pay for his transgressions tomorrow.

bigbluedefense · 10-05-2012, 03:02 PM

Omg, I want to take the biggest dump on Connecticut tomorrow.

Sorry Forenci. But **** Connecticut.

Giantsfan1080 · 10-05-2012, 04:52 PM

I don't know why I always get so pissed when people discredit Eli. I don't understand what the poor guy has to do at this point. I also vowed I would never discuss him again in the NFL Forum but I just can't help myself.

NY+Giants=NYG · 10-05-2012, 06:29 PM

Nicks' injuries cloud his Giants future

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...-giants-future

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And that issue is this: Can the Giants realistically expect to keep both Nicks and Cruz long-term? And if not, which should they pick?

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Except, of course, for this little matter of the injuries. Nicks is no stranger to leg problems. He missed two games in his rookie season, three in his second season and one last year, and this year's count is already up to three. He also missed training camp this season due to the foot bone he broke in spring practice. No matter how highly you think of him (and I do think quite highly of him), this is his fourth year and he's had injuries in all four that have cost him games. That stuff matters when assessing a player's value.

Giantsfan1080 · 10-05-2012, 06:32 PM

Since you bring that up I'm very surprised we haven't locked up any of our younger players yet.

NY+Giants=NYG · 10-05-2012, 06:36 PM

I posted an Eli stats in this thread a while back about times we throw downfield. If you can find it it's a good one. I will see on BBI if someone has it.

Giantsfan1080 · 10-05-2012, 06:38 PM

I give up arguing about Eli. I vowed not to do it anymore. Whatever like I've said the last 2 or 3 years all of us here know what we have.

NY+Giants=NYG · 10-05-2012, 06:53 PM

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...content_stream

NFL.com QB rankings article.

Here are some stats posted on BBI.

109 -- Passing attempts of longer than 20 yards by Eli Manning in 2011, 20 more than the next quarterback in the deep-ball rankings.

88.5 -- Percentage of drop-backs on which Eli Manning was pressured but avoided being sacked, the best escape rate in the league (minimum: 100 pressures).

220 -- League-high number of plays on which Giants linemen allowed such pressure, 15 more than any other team.

All of that gives you even more info on how good Manning was last season, and how bad the offensive line was. It makes the 4,933 yards passing and all of those comebacks seem even more amazing..

NY+Giants=NYG · 10-05-2012, 06:54 PM

I am creating a stat dumping thread so we have stuff easily accessible. I hate posting stuff and then going back where to find it.

BaLLiN · 10-06-2012, 09:08 PM

If the giants don't win I will most definitely need to be on suicide watch, this week has ****** me sideways.

bigbluedefense · 10-07-2012, 03:34 PM

The tackling from this defense is awful. The linebackers are awful at shooting gaps and making tackles, the DBs aren't great tacklers outside of Rolle, the back 7 just does a terrible job wrapping up.

The biggest problems are in the LB core. We talked up this LB core all offseason and TC how good and deep they are. Well, the truth is, this LB core is awful.

Boley is strictly a coverage LB. He's useless in the run game. He's soft in the run game and can't play downhill at all. Kiwi isn't a linebacker, and can't wrap up. Chase is just washed up. I'm sorry, I love the guy but he sucks. He gets washed out of almost every play.

Our linebackers are a big problem. We need Herzlich to start to get a spark in the LB core, we need to replace all 3 starting linebackers next year.

I'm hoping we let Boley walk, let Williams get the WILL spot, replace Chase with Herzlich, and we need a solution at SAM.

Bc right now, this starting LB core is pathetic. And something needs to be done about it.

Forenci · 10-07-2012, 03:45 PM

LB could use a good overhaul. I like Boley though, even if he does suck in the run game. It's never bad to have a coverage LB who can neutralize the tight end.

Overall we did okay. Richardson is a tough back. I'm more concerned with our lack of pass rush. JPP was getting wrecked on a few plays.

bigbluedefense · 10-07-2012, 03:46 PM

And Justin Tuck is pissing me off.

Ditto for Osi. Want an easy 7 yards? Just run right at Osi. 7 yards easy.

The only person on that DL that's earning his paycheck is JPP. Joseph is mediocre too. He's not worth extending. He's a 2 down run thumper who offers nothing as a pass rusher. We can replace him in the middle of the draft.

scottyboy · 10-07-2012, 03:46 PM

the Chase hate has got to stop. He's pretty damn good in coverage for a white dude. he knows the D and is the QB back there, we can't over look that. Boley's been very meh thus far, but has made good plays on the ball. Rivers should be our SAM, dude just can't stay healthy. There are so many other problems on this D. We need Canty back, we need pressure up front, and we need depth at DB. Brown made nice plays, Hill too, but were just meh in coverage.

Forenci · 10-07-2012, 03:48 PM

Haha, Chase isn't that good Scotty. He's a solid back up and good special teams player but there is no way he should be starting for us. And he's not a good cover linebacker. He gets the occasionally gimme interception but other than that he's not too great.

bigbluedefense · 10-07-2012, 03:52 PM

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the Chase hate has got to stop. He's pretty damn good in coverage for a white dude. he knows the D and is the QB back there, we can't over look that. Boley's been very meh thus far, but has made good plays on the ball. Rivers should be our SAM, dude just can't stay healthy. There are so many other problems on this D. We need Canty back, we need pressure up front, and we need depth at DB. Brown made nice plays, Hill too, but were just meh in coverage.

I don't care what color he is. He just doesn't have it anymore. He can't make tackles, he can't shed blocks, he doesn't pursue the ball, he's just not good. I don't know how you can say he's been doing good, he's been awful. Knowing the plays is overrated. Boley could call the plays. It's not like Chase is audibling like how Pierce did.

He had 3 tackles. 3 ******* tackles. From our middle linebacker vs a team that ran the ball right at our front 7 the entire first half. 3 tackles.

He's awful. I love Chase, but he was on the street for a reason. It's time to bench him.

And the front 4 doesn't get pressure bc everyone is max protecting vs us and Fewell isn't blitzing to counter it bc he doesn't trust our secondary.

scottyboy · 10-07-2012, 04:01 PM

you killed your own argument with the "on the street for a reason" line. God forbid everyone remember how much better our D was when we signed him. He's not a world beater, and we could obviously use an upgrade, but it's so far down the list of needs it's ridiculous. Let's worry about improving our dog **** Dline. the one that's gotten no pressure and is getting devoured. It's embarrassing

BigBlueNorwegian · 10-07-2012, 04:59 PM

I'm sorry Scotty, but Blackburn needs to ride pine the rest of the season. Actually I logged on just to rant about him, but saw that he already had gotten torn a new asshole by BBD. Just look at one of the many screens they ran at us, or the off tackle runs, or even the ones right up our gut. He was going backwards or ending up on the ground almost every time. I like him a lot as a person and he will always be a part of Giants history, but he is best suited for special teams and as a emergency option at LB at this point in his career.

Otherwise, good win today. The offense was awesome, when you consider the injuries. Reuben Randle played well, that was nice to see. I heard Eli had a 1 on 1 session with him on thursday night, going over plays for this game. Eli is so awesome.

NY+Giants=NYG · 10-07-2012, 05:08 PM

I hate our defense so much! Year in and year out for the regular season I now have lowered my expectations to nothing. I hate that side of the ball. Stupid defense can't do anything! Damn shoot out with the damn browns. Lol

BigBlueNorwegian · 10-07-2012, 05:11 PM

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I hate our defense so much! Year in and year out for the regular season I now have lowered my expectations to nothing. I hate that side of the ball. Stupid defense can't do anything! Damn shoot out with the damn browns. Lol

To be fair to the defense though, two of their scoring drives came after turnovers which put them in excellent field position, and one came after a long kick return. But yeah, they haven't played up to their normal standards.

scottyboy · 10-07-2012, 05:17 PM

as much as we could upgrade over Chase, we don't have anyone to do it. Herz hasn't seen anytime, and I trust the coaching staff over us. I just wanna see Rivers healthy because he's awesome. Kiwi did literally nothing today. I wanna just throw him back at DE because that's where he'd do the best for us at this point