New England Patriots Discussion - Page 381

Don Vito · 10-05-2012, 09:56 AM

Don't get me wrong I don't think he will be close to what Moss was, but I think he's going to start getting more involved vertically. He has gone deep a few times but has mainly been playing intermediate, I think when Hernandez comes back we will be able to use Lloyd deep more which should result in some big plays and then will keep defenses more honest. That will just open everything up more.

Jvig43 · 10-05-2012, 10:27 AM

I could see that potential opening up more with Hernandez in the mix, definitely. I really hope he stays healthy once he comes back, I pegged him as having a huge year here coming into the season (although I think most people did).

Nalej · 10-05-2012, 04:05 PM

Gregory is out. Wilson is probably starting. I'm not feeling warm and fuzzy about this.

Jvig43 · 10-05-2012, 05:43 PM

For whatever reason, I am feeling fairly confident about this game. Gut feeling.

Also Hernandez is now questionable for this weekend. Nice.

Matthew Jones · 10-06-2012, 05:05 AM

I'm not so confident the Patriots will win, but they should be able to score some points. Here's the preview for NEPatriotsDraft:

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2012/...tml#more-20745

AntoinCD · 10-06-2012, 08:17 AM

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Gregory is out. Wilson is probably starting. I'm not feeling warm and fuzzy about this.

I have been really impressed with Wilson in underneath zone and some man coverage. He was a huge reason for Nink's sack against Buffalo. However, I would worry about the Pats' ability to cover the deep part of the field. Neither Wilson, in his short time here, or Chung have shown a great ability to patrol center field. The one thing that may help is Manning hasn't been great going deep for Denver.

I am just guessing here, but I feel McCourty may see a lot of man coverage against Thomas. Thomas primarily lines up on the right side of the offense and will be matched up on McCourty. McCourty's game could be a huge thing in deciding this game. I fully believe we will see a lot of underneath zone n Stokley and Decker while one of the two TEs may be bracketed by Mayo and Wilson/Chung.

The front 4 stopping the run will be huge too. If they can force Denver to be one dimensional then I think this game will get too far ahead of the Broncos.

Offensively I think Brady should have a good day. The o-line had a great day against a much better (on paper anyway) front against Buffalo. If they can move d-linemen off the ball I really don't like Denver's LBs and safeties in the run game. If the running game is solid then play action should kill their back 7. Gronk is my guy for a big day tomorrow

Jvig43 · 10-06-2012, 09:32 AM

Matt, in the future of those write ups you should predict a final score. Nice job tho once again.

Matthew Jones · 10-06-2012, 10:15 AM

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Matt, in the future of those write ups you should predict a final score. Nice job tho once again.

Thanks for the suggestion. I've been considering doing that, so maybe I'll start next week. How about 27-24? I don't think we'll see the same offensive explosion that we have previously because New England won't have either tight end at full strength and because Peyton Manning will be able to keep the Broncos on the field longer than Tim Tebow did, but I'm hopeful for a win.

Razor · 10-07-2012, 08:04 AM

So I'm finally back home and have a decent internet connection for the first time since the Arizona game, and now I can't even watch tonight's game since I have to get up real ******* early tomorrow to go to a job interview... I think we have a real chance of winning this game. If we can force Denver into being one dimensional by stifling the run and forcing Manning to throw it 40+ times I think we're going to win relatively easy. If not, look for a close game. All I want to see is BB throwing the sink at Manning all night and have him running for his live.

Jvig43 · 10-07-2012, 08:54 AM

Yeah that O-line has not been too helpful keeping Manning clean.

Don Vito · 10-07-2012, 11:55 AM

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Gregory is out. Wilson is probably starting. I'm not feeling warm and fuzzy about this.

This could be a very big moment for him, he has played well in limited time this year and has had a knack for being in the right place at the right time. We all like him but there are questions, and most of those questions revolve around what he would do if he played a bigger part. I don't like that his moment is coming when we are 2-2 and playing Peyton Manning, but I have faith in him and this will be a big test.

descendency · 10-07-2012, 12:04 PM

Apparently, Rob Gronkowski is hurt really badly and playing through it.

Jvig43 · 10-07-2012, 05:33 PM

Nink must frequent these parts of the board. Hes having a good day.

Don Vito · 10-07-2012, 06:30 PM

A lot to talk about, but before I write everything just wanted to point out that Dennard was locked up on his man whenever he was in.

Nalej · 10-07-2012, 07:39 PM

I came in here specifically to give Dennard some props. Great game for him.

Jvig43 · 10-07-2012, 08:15 PM

Agreed, he looked real sexy (despite it only being like three plays haha). Probably because its been awhile since weve seen a DB play good man on man coverage on this team. Really would be huge if he panned out for us. Tavon did an alright job from what I could tell too.

descendency · 10-07-2012, 10:24 PM

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A lot to talk about, but before I write everything just wanted to point out that Dennard was locked up on his man whenever he was in.

So was Dowling. And McCourty (for all his downsides) was basically with everyone stride for stride.

J255979-11nine · 10-08-2012, 12:19 AM

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So was Dowling. And McCourty (for all his downsides) was basically with everyone stride for stride.

Too bad he didn't make a single attempt to turn his ******* head around.

AntoinCD · 10-08-2012, 04:25 AM

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Too bad he didn't make a single attempt to turn his ******* head around.

This clearly isn't a McCourty thing. By watching every Pats defender it is obvious this is how they are being coached.

I can't remember who I read from on twiter, but he said the Pats DBs appear to be getting told to read the WRs eye and make a play then. However most of the time that is too late

AntoinCD · 10-08-2012, 08:24 AM

I know it is still early, however I think Brady is primed for a big second half of the year. Ask any defensive coordinator, head coach, expert, analysts, guy in the street etc about who you want to stop for the Pats and they will say Brady, and rightfully so. Brady has been the Pats offense for the last 5 years. However if this run game can be as dominant as it has been teams will have to adjust.

The Pats have nearly 500 yards rushing the last 2 weeks. Sooner or later defenses are going to have to commit to stopping the run. When Brady starts seeing more 8 man boxes then it's time to have some fun.

Don Vito · 10-08-2012, 09:16 AM

The fact that we are running the ball like this with Hernandez coming back just makes me happy in the pants. Don't know how else to put it.

Jvig43 · 10-08-2012, 09:26 AM

I was saying the same exact thing yesterday. Now we just need to be able to continue sustain drives when were up in the second half and we'll be looking pretty good.

nepg · 10-08-2012, 09:39 AM

The running game is the biggest difference between McDaniels and O'Brien. Josh is so much better at designing run plays.

AntoinCD · 10-08-2012, 09:44 AM

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I was saying the same exact thing yesterday. Now we just need to be able to continue sustain drives when were up in the second half and we'll be looking pretty good.

The only thing I can think of offensively is that after being able to get things going through the no huddle, when they go conservative and slow things down they get out of rhythm. Although, had they punted on 4th and 5 yesterday and Ridley didn't fumble I think it would have been much more comfortable than it ultimately was

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The running game is the biggest difference between McDaniels and O'Brien. Josh is so much better at designing run plays.

Yeah, with all the abuse we give him for some play calls he has really been able to get a terrific ground game drawn up

cmarq83 · 10-08-2012, 09:59 AM

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The only thing I can think of offensively is that after being able to get things going through the no huddle, when they go conservative and slow things down they get out of rhythm. Although, had they punted on 4th and 5 yesterday and Ridley didn't fumble I think it would have been much more comfortable than it ultimately was.

Yeah, with all the abuse we give him for some play calls he has really been able to get a terrific ground game drawn up

I'm very satisfied with the Offense so far. It's nice to see some true balance, and I think the addition of Fells as another TE who can actually block has made a visible difference.

Is anybody disappointed with Lloyd though? I know he's had some tough matchups so far this season (Peterson, McCourty, Bailey, and Webb) but he really hasn't made that much of an impact so far. The stats look ok, but in reality he's pretty much giving us what Branch did last season. With how good the running game has looked this year there should really be some vertical passing open down the field with play action. However, Lloyd doesn't get enough separation, and Brady seems hesitant to throw to him when he's covered. The vertical element is the only thing missing with this offense, and with it this team could be unstoppable, unfortunately that deep threat still seems to be missing on the roster.