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Old 10-05-2012, 06:39 PM    (permalink
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Ah. I was saying per pass. Anybody can accumulate yards if they throw it enough.
Now you just pissed off every Lions fan.
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Look at all those yards from drops Stafford has.
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Oh and for the record, Cover 2 still sucks.
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Ah. I was saying per pass. That would make far more sense in this case.
Gotcha.

Eli's an interesting QB to discuss for a couple of reasons. The first is that his development has been gradual and consistent. Consistency week-to-week was a huge issue for him, but in terms of the overall development year-to-year, I can't really think of a similar player.

You also have the issue of the run-and-shoot concepts they run, and how turnover inducing that offense can be if everyone is not on the same page and seeing the same things.
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Oh and for the record, Cover 2 still sucks.
Cover 2 is just a coverage concept. It's not a defense.

Stop trolling bruh, you're better than that.
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Gotcha.

Eli's an interesting QB to discuss for a couple of reasons. The first is that his development has been gradual and consistent. Consistency week-to-week was a huge issue for him, but in terms of the overall development year-to-year, I can't really think of a similar player.

You also have the issue of the run-and-shoot concepts they run, and how turnover inducing that offense can be if everyone is not on the same page and seeing the same things.
Thank you. Most ppl on here don't have a clue about the system we run. I'm not saying Eli is never at fault, but you're gonna have INTS with this system, it comes with the territory. I used to hate it but I've grown to love it. It gives you a chance vs any defense. And that versatility is priceless.
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Cover 2 is just a coverage concept. It's not a defense.

Stop trolling bruh, you're better than that.
I know. It's just a thing I like doing to bf.
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Michael Vick disagrees.
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And the whole potential of what could he be if he can stay healthy. I think the media still expects that whole amazing career where the guy can change the game the way it's played. He didn't, so they moved to Vince Young. That didn't work so Cam newton is the guy. And now Bob is in the NFL. So let's see how they do.

But Vick does dumb things so he gets talked about.
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Sorry, but you're like 13. I don't take your opinion seriously.
This is a fallacy.
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Thank you. Most ppl on here don't have a clue about the system we run. I'm not saying Eli is never at fault, but you're gonna have INTS with this system, it comes with the territory. I used to hate it but I've grown to love it. It gives you a chance vs any defense. And that versatility is priceless.
Here's a .pdf file of Coughlin's playbook in Jacksonville. So much Run and Shoot. Switch Smash ftw.

http://fastandfuriousfootball.com/wp...le_Jaguars.pdf
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Here's a .pdf file of Coughlin's playbook in Jacksonville. So much Run and Shoot. Switch Smash ftw.

http://fastandfuriousfootball.com/wp...le_Jaguars.pdf
Well that and Gilbride took over as OC once we fired Hufangel. He is MR. Run and Shoot.
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If people are going to say Eli is elite you have to say that Big Ben is as well, even though he had a down year last season
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Haha! Yeah that was a funny one back then. I remember people ripping on him for that.
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Here's a .pdf file of Coughlin's playbook in Jacksonville. So much Run and Shoot. Switch Smash ftw.

http://fastandfuriousfootball.com/wp...le_Jaguars.pdf
It's an offense that requires patience bc it takes awhile to master, but once your qb has it down, it really is a great offense. It has an answer for every coverage, and in today's rules, you can take serious advantage of that. The tough part is finding smart wide receivers who also have athletic ability.
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It's an offense that requires patience bc it takes awhile to master, but once your qb has it down, it really is a great offense. It has an answer for every coverage, and in today's rules, you can take serious advantage of that. The tough part is finding smart wide receivers who also have athletic ability.
That playbook I could not find it. But Gilbride's play book has a lot obviously.
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You also have the issue of the run-and-shoot concepts they run, and how turnover inducing that offense can be if everyone is not on the same page and seeing the same things.
If I'm not mistaken, the option-routes are what held back Mario Manningham, and it's doing the same to Damian Williams as well.
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To be clear, almost every offense has options in it, but the degree of options, how many players are running options, and when you run options varies. Gilbride runs the purest form of run n shoot in the league. But variations are also run by NE and Buffalo. Both of whom can get away with avg wr talent bc of it. That's what I like about this offense.
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If I'm not mistaken, the option-routes are what held back Mario Manningham, and it's doing the same to Damian Williams as well.
Yup. Either players get it and do VERY well, or don't and see the field later on. Mario had big play ability which basically got him on the field. However, he'd have games where Eli throws left, and Mario is not in the tv frame because he is going in the opposite direction. An Example of this would be the 49ers regular season game last year.

Victor Cruz almost got beat out by Brandon Stokley and finally Cruz got his stuff together.

I can't stand that part of our system, but when it works it's amazing, it's just the learning curve is so hard.
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The Giants haven't been a dominant run team for years, almost since Tiki retired.
Meh, Eli is elite. Winning isn't overrated in the NFL which is why no one cares if Brees breaks Unitas' consecutive touchdown record this weekend if the Saints still lose.

Football isn't a stat sport like baseball. Very few fans can recite NFL stats, but everyone knows how many SBs a QB has won.

Which player could the Giants least afford to lose on their recent SB teams??
Elisha.

INTs are way overrated btw.
If the Giants had a 1500 yard rusher now, Eli would never throw more than 10 INTs in any season.

Also, Eli's intangibles are some of the best in the game for his position.
I don't think any starting NFL QB is mentally tougher than he is.
If Eli is the QB of the Packers last year, they don't get beat at home by the NYG.
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The Giants haven't been a dominant run team for years, almost since Tiki retired.

They still were a couple years after. Been Eli's offense since 2009 or
Meh, Eli is elite. Winning isn't overrated in the NFL which is why no one cares if Brees breaks Unitas' consecutive touchdown record this weekend if the Saints still lose.

Football isn't a stat sport like baseball. Very few fans can recite NFL stats, but everyone knows how many SBs a QB has won.[/b]

Which player could the Giants least afford to lose on their recent SB teams??
Elisha.

INTs are way overrated btw.
If the Giants had a 1500 yard rusher now, Eli would never throw more than 10 INTs in any season.

Also, Eli's intangibles are some of the best in the game for his position.
I don't think any starting NFL QB is mentally tougher than he is.
If Eli is the QB of the Packers last year, they don't get beat at home by the NYG.
How many yards a guy throws for or Superbowls won aren't really stats IMO. It's trivia.
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That's the biggest change between the college and the NFL. Having to figure out what a defense is in and where you should take your route because of it.
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Ben rothlisberger 2 accused rapes. Stats or Triva?
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Stats for sure.
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