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Old 10-06-2012, 09:02 PM    (permalink
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But why? Football is a team sport and not everyone can be a champion due to a lot of variables that are out of one's control, no matter how good of a player at their individual position they are. Marino, Moon, and Fouts were elite guys in their hey-day.
Marino was elite for sure. Moon...debatable. But Fouts was not elite. Far too mediocre in the playoffs to be elite to me.
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Bradshaw isn't elite, Rings aren't the end all be all, but they are definetly the stepping stone to get that title of "elite'
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Fouts was elite. His 1981 season was one of the best in the history of the game. The Bolts best chance to make the SB, after the '81 season, was derailed when they had to play the Bengals in Cincinnati under freezing snowy game conditions.

Fouts put up big numbers in his playoff appearances, unfortunately so did SD's defense.
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Fouts was elite. His 1981 season was one of the best in the history of the game. The Bolts best chance to make the SB, after the '81 season, was derailed when they had to play the Bengals in Cincinnati under freezing snowy game conditions.

Fouts put up big numbers in his playoff appearances, unfortunately so did SD's defense.
That was just a lame excuse though. We lost bc it was cold. Ken Anderson thoroughly outplayed him.
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I think it's fair to say that, in general, you need a championship to be considered an elite QB. There can be exceptions obviously (Marino, Kelly, Tarkenton), but in general it's true. Exceptions to the rule will be glaringly obvious in all cases.

I don't really understand why this discussion has gained so much steam. It's pretty cut and dry imo. meh.
I don't think it's that clear, cut and dry. If it was one person, as an exception to the rule then I could see it. But there have been a ton of guys that have had Hall of Fame careers/were elite at the QB position that didn't win a championship. To me, like I said earlier, there are just certain things that a player can't always control in a team oriented sport that depends on so many variables.
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Marino was elite for sure. Moon...debatable. But Fouts was not elite. Far too mediocre in the playoffs to be elite to me.
Well, both are in the Hall of Fame. I don't think you get in there as a QB even in that day in age when they were inducted, unless they were elite for the majority of their career.

And you have to look at certain things in context. Even though the Chargers never made it to the Super Bowl, the Chargers offense wasn't the problem in most cases. They could put up points. Their defense was usually average to terrible in terms of giving up scores though. Quarterbacks, offenses I should say, can't do it alone.

And I'm not sure why Warren Moon not being an elite quarterback in his time is debatable to you. Because he doesn't have a ring? The Oilers usually suffered from the same problems with their defenses laying over in the playoffs, which was unusual because they had some good years where their defense was very productive. But Moon wasn't the problem. And when Moon moved on to Minnesota and Seattle he was still productive in a normal pro style offense instead of the Run N' Shoot.
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That was just a lame excuse though. We lost bc it was cold. Ken Anderson thoroughly outplayed him.
SD was a finesse team that couldn't run the football. Only thing is no one could stop their passing attack, except for the weather.
Stats say both Anderson and Fouts didn't light it up in that game, but the Bengals were able to run the ball more effectively.

If that game had been in SD in that perfect west coast sunshine, it's likely the outcome would have been much different.

Just saying, Fouts is elite, even without a SB win or appearance. He and Marino were putting up passing numbers every Sunday that fans had never seen before.
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Was Terry Bradshaw elite?

Who was better Warren Moon or Phil Sims?Marino or Eli? Fouts or Namath?
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Namath only got in because he guaranteed a Super Bowl, so I don't think eliteness matters.
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But they have SB rings and one has twice as many as Elisha.
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But they have SB rings and one has twice as many as Elisha.
Eli doesn't have one of the best defenses of all time or multiple borderline hall of fame receivers. Eli right now is far better than Terry Bradshaw ever was.
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Eli doesn't have one of the best defenses of all time or multiple borderline hall of fame receivers. Eli right now is far better than Terry Bradshaw ever was.

Eli has NO HOF skill position players and probably never will.
But I would bet that Bradshaw was considered elite in the 1970s by most fans, TV commentators and sports writers.

Maybe two, but I don't think the Steelers win 4 SBs without Bradshaw.
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Look, I think that's an easy fix too.....if there are a bunch of people on both sides and they're arguing whether a non SB winning QB is elite, he isn't. If it isn't a near unanimous, "yeah, he's elite" then it is not the case.
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