New York Giants Discussion

[Forenci]

Originally Posted by D-Unit

That's essentially been Ware's whole career, so that doesn't cut it for me. Something is up with him. That's a horrendous drop off from last year with the same personnel. I hope he shakes out of it for the sake of my fantasy team, that's for sure. LOL.

He's had Parcells, Wade Phillips and Rob Ryan as his defensive coordinators. Your argument is invalid.

[bigbluedefense]

I would like to see David Wilson get some looks vs the 49ers though. Having him in the backfield could keep those ILBs a little more honest in pass coverage. They won't drop back so deep if they have to account for Wilson coming out of the backfield.

Could open up some passing lanes. I know it won't happen, but it would be a good idea if they trust him enough to put him in that role.

[Forenci]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

I would like to see David Wilson get some looks vs the 49ers though. Having him in the backfield could keep those ILBs a little more honest in pass coverage. They won't drop back so deep if they have to account for Wilson coming out of the backfield.

Could open up some passing lanes. I know it won't happen, but it would be a good idea if they trust him enough to put him in that role.

Psh, make adjustments based on your opponent? You know that's too much to ask for Gilbride.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by Forenci

Psh, make adjustments based on your opponent? You know that's too much to ask for Gilbride.

I've actually learned to like Gilbride a lot. I don't always agree with him, but it's not easy being a playcaller on offense. It's not always gonna work.

But he's actually one of the best in the business at dissecting defensive tendencies from his script, and I think him and Eli have an understanding now that's pretty solid.

He's not the problem.

It's Perry Fewell. That turd is the problem.

[Forenci]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

I've actually learned to like Gilbride a lot. I don't always agree with him, but it's not easy being a playcaller on offense. It's not always gonna work.

But he's actually one of the best in the business at dissecting defensive tendencies from his script, and I think him and Eli have an understanding now that's pretty solid.

He's not the problem.

It's Perry Fewell. That turd is the problem.

I'm just messing around. I still hate Gilbride because of his archaic offensive system and his situational play calling at times is dumb and predictable.

[scottyboy]

forenci DOES hate Gilbride's system, even though when it's on, it's nearly unstoppable. Wonder if Randle can grasp it. He wasn't asked to do that when he played, he just had routes.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by Forenci

I'm just messing around. I still hate Gilbride because of his archaic offensive system and his situational play calling at times is dumb and predictable.

I just wish we never lost Spagnuolo. Hopefully Fewell gets a HC job after this season and we can find a replacement.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by scottyboy

forenci DOES hate Gilbride's system, even though when it's on, it's nearly unstoppable. Wonder if Randle can grasp it. He wasn't asked to do that when he played, he just had routes.

And he looked amazing in a regular system. Which makes me wonder how good our offense could be in a simpler scheme, but at the same time, when you understand the scheme, you learn to appreciate it.

Bc the options gives us a chance vs any defense. And it makes the slot WR an unstoppable weapon if you have the right talent to fit in there.

I think Randle will eventually pick it up, but it's gonna take time. This is an offense that typically takes a good 2 years to master if you're lucky.

[Giantsfan1080]

We've had the highest offensive output yardage wise the last 4 games ever in Giants history. Hard to argue against that. The defense will come together when everyone is back.

[Jughead10]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

We've had the highest offensive output yardage wise the last 4 games ever in Giants history. Hard to argue against that. The defense will come together when everyone is back.

Without arguably our best offensive skill player.

[BaLLiN]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

We won't do that. Their 5 DL vs our 5 OL 1 on 1 is a disaster.

Plus, they won't take Bow and Willis off the field. They run their nickel with zone coverage vs any front because those 2 are so fast they can cover the middle of hte field by themselves.

Look at what they did to the Packers. They'll do the same to our 5 WR set.

I can't tell you how far from the truth that is. Looking at the film I saw the 49ers line up with 2 LB's and 3 DL or 2 DL and 3 LB's with 6 DB's with 3 wide 1 TE (Jermichael Finley) Packers sets.

On 5 wide sets the 49ers had 2 LB's and 3 DL w/ 6 DB's mostly, Aldon Smith was not always on the field but in down position.

On 4 wide sets with 1 TE the 49ers had 3 DL and 2 LB's mostly and Aldon Smith again was not always on the field but in down position.

So Idk where you are getting the 5 DL from. This also kept San Fran from being able to disguise blitzes well, which is always a positive. I also saw that they were willing to put Culliver on Jordy Nelson, and Culliver did play well, but if they pull that with Hakeem I would be salivating. Rodgers in the slot, and they matched up safeties in man coverage often.

Even saying our Line would get eaten up with 3 DL is pushing it because GB's OL has been worse by a lot this year. Our 5 OL versus their 3 DL and maybe one blitzing linebacker allows us to double Justin Smith, slide the pocket away from Smith and have comfortable protection IMO.

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

I would like to see David Wilson get some looks vs the 49ers though. Having him in the backfield could keep those ILBs a little more honest in pass coverage. They won't drop back so deep if they have to account for Wilson coming out of the backfield.

Could open up some passing lanes. I know it won't happen, but it would be a good idea if they trust him enough to put him in that role.

This i could see with 4 WR sets or 3 WR sets and 1 TE, but we need to do our best schematically to limit what the 49ers can do on defense with the 4 players on their D that are all pros (Justin and Aldon Smith, Bowman, and Willis)

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by BaLLiN

I can't tell you how far from the truth that is. Looking at the film I saw the 49ers line up with 2 LB's and 3 DL or 2 DL and 3 LB's with 6 DB's with 3 wide 1 TE (Jermichael Finley) Packers sets.

On 5 wide sets the 49ers had 2 LB's and 3 DL w/ 6 DB's mostly, Aldon Smith was not always on the field but in down position.

On 4 wide sets with 1 TE the 49ers had 3 DL and 2 LB's mostly and Aldon Smith again was not always on the field but in down position.

So Idk where you are getting the 5 DL from. This also kept San Fran from being able to disguise blitzes well, which is always a positive. I also saw that they were willing to put Culliver on Jordy Nelson, and Culliver did play well, but if they pull that with Hakeem I would be salivating. Rodgers in the slot, and they matched up safeties in man coverage often.

Even saying our Line would get eaten up with 3 DL is pushing it because GB's OL has been worse by a lot this year. Our 5 OL versus their 3 DL and maybe one blitzing linebacker allows us to double Justin Smith, slide the pocket away from Smith and have comfortable protection IMO.






This i could see with 4 WR sets or 3 WR sets and 1 TE, but we need to do our best schematically to limit what the 49ers can do on defense with the 4 players on their D that are all pros (Justin and Aldon Smith, Bowman, and Willis)

Hmmm. That's interesting. What kind of coverage shells were they running?

[D-Unit]

If you guys had your choice who would you replace Fewell with?

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by D-Unit

If you guys had your choice who would you replace Fewell with?

Tough to say right now. I don't know who's available. Plus we don't know enough about the positional coaches around the league to make an accurate guess.

Most of the popular guys are head coaching candidates. So we'd have to grab a positional coach who most of us don't know about.

If Rex Ryan gets fired I'd walk on hot coals to have him as our DC.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by D-Unit

If you guys had your choice who would you replace Fewell with?

Probably Zimmer.

[Rosebud]

Spags, Zimmer, Rex, Nolan and then Greg Williams/Wade would be more top 5 in order.

[LTgiants]

Jim Johnson.

Yes you are reading this right I would rather take my chances in resurrecting the dead then having Perry Fewell as my D coordinator lol.

[Giantsfan1080]

As always our schedule looks so much easier now. Balls in our court.

[D-Unit]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Probably Zimmer.

Oooh now THAT would be a sick hire!

[Todd Bertuzzi]

Why would Zimmer leave for anything less than a HC job? Even if they struggle I don't see the Bengals letting him go.

[Rosebud]

Originally Posted by Todd Bertuzzi

Why would Zimmer leave for anything less than a HC job? Even if they struggle I don't see the Bengals letting him go.

Because D asked us who we would want, not who we would get. Realistically we'd hire some mediocre soft zone guy that Coughlin would be too loyal towards.

[scottyboy]

promote Jessie Armstead. Boom

[Giantsfan1080]

Sounds like everyone should be a go for Sunday except for Phillips, Bernard, and Brown. The Bernard injury kills us a bit with their run game though.

[Jughead10]

I really hate that our bye is so late.

[bigbluedefense]

So we're only dressing 2 healthy DTs?