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Old 10-16-2012, 12:48 PM    (permalink
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You can't look at the entire history of Super Bowls. The NFL has drstically changed into a more pass-centric league in the last few years. And in that time, 50% of the defense were below average. You want to olyl talk about pass defense? Okay...

2011 Giants (29th), 2011 Patriots (32nd), 2009 Saints (26th), 2008 Caridnals (22nd), 2007 Bears (27th), 2005 Steelers (16th), 2005 Seahawks (25th). So 50% had below average pass defenses. You don't like total yards? Let's do passing TDs allowed.

2011 Giants (25th), 2011 Patriots (22nd), 2008 Cardinals (32nd), 2007 Patriots (18th), 2007 Giants (20th).
The 2011 Patriots and 2008 Cardinals were outliers that didn't even win the game.

And again, the most efficient way to evaluate pass defense is via the ANY/A stat, not total passing yards and not even passing TDs.

If you do it that way, you see that basically only the 2011 Patriots and 2008 Cardinals had below average pass defenses (ANY/A on defense higher than 5.5).

Both 2007 Giants and 2011 Giants teams had their struggles during the regular season, and I would chalk them off as outliers as well, but I think this has more to do with really bad stretches of games during the regular season for both teams, and probably due in no small part to injury.
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What Giants went 3-1, but barely got into the playoffs last year to win it. If you can predict superbowl runs you should be in vegas making a living out of it.


Anyways the AFC is pretty much open to anyone who gets hot at the right time and as of right now it's wide open so you really can't tell who will pick up steam in December.
How is the AFC open to anyone? That's ridiculous.

Several teams have separated from the pack already and many more have completely disqualified themselves.

Nobody but the Patriots, Broncos, Texans stands a chance at this point. How is anyone else going to run the gauntlet of top teams in the playoffs?

Nobody else has the passing offense or defense (combined) to matchup with these teams.
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..except for the Steelers you continue to ignore because Big Ben is the 6th and not 5th best QB in the NFL.
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..except for the Steelers you continue to ignore because Big Ben is the 6th and not 5th best QB in the NFL.
Because their defense is terrible this year.

If your defense is bad (like the 2011 Patriots) you had better have, literally, the best offense in the entire NFL.

And even then, you are a dropped pass in the endzone (AFCCG last year) from being left out in the cold.
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How is the AFC open to anyone? That's ridiculous.

Several teams have separated from the pack already and many more have completely disqualified themselves.

Nobody but the Patriots, Broncos, Texans stands a chance at this point. How is anyone else going to run the gauntlet of top teams in the playoffs?

Nobody else has the passing offense or defense (combined) to matchup with these teams.
There's 10 more games in the season...


San Diego, Denver, New England, Jets, Miami, Buffalo, and Cinci are all 3-3

You're really thinking it's still clear cut?

The only ones that have the best chance to keep their top spot is Ravens and Houston. With Ravens losing key defensive players how long can they sustain their #1 spot with them relying on Joe freaking Flacco and completely ignoring their run game.

After the way the Packers beat Houston how can you say you're still confident that Houston will still run over teams?

The AFC is open to any of those 3-3 teams.
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There's 10 more games in the season...


San Diego, Denver, New England, Jets, Miami, Buffalo, and Cinci are all 3-3

You're really thinking it's still clear cut?
Records are very deceiving. They don't always tell who played the best, because win-loss records are a product of luck and scheduling as much as they are a product of good play.

A better way to judge teams is by their scoring differential. And the top four teams in the AFC in scoring differential this year are the Texans, Patriots, Ravens, and Broncos. And I would consider the Ravens a contender, but again, their defense is about to get ugly the next 10 games.

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The only ones that have the best chance to keep their top spot is Ravens and Houston. With Ravens losing key defensive players how long can they sustain their #1 spot with them relying on Joe freaking Flacco and completely ignoring their run game.

After the way the Packers beat Houston how can you say you're still confident that Houston will still run over teams?

The AFC is open to any of those 3-3 teams.
Mark my words, it will be one of these three teams in the end: Patriots, Texans, or Broncos.

Historical trends rarely lie.
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The real question should be "can anyone beat the packers but themselves?"
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But they were the second best team in the NFL that year by point differential, which is more accurate an approximation of team strength than merely win-loss record.

They were also the top team that year in ANY/A differential which measures total strength of passing offense and passing defense combined.
Yeah, and they barely made the playoffs, just like last year's Giants.

I also didn't realize that win-loss records only matters in week 4 :x
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With only two teams in the AFC with winning records (Texans/Ravens,) I say a team other than the three you mentioned can make it TO the Super Bowl. Win it? Meh.

Obviously the big two names are the Steelers and the Ravens. Though neither are as good as they were a few years ago (or even last year,) you can't tell me they couldn't make it to the Super Bowl against this mediocre AFC.

First and foremost, look at the Ravens. In your little "chart" of who won the Super Bowl and early records, the Ravens would fit in. One loss, barely losing to the Eagles. Could be 6-0. With an improving offense, it could make up for the defensive woes. The Ravens could get a bye and home field, and you don't think they can win two games at home, possibly one against a wild card like the Jets, Bills, Chargers, or Bengals? Then it becomes one game, AFC Title, and they already showed they can beat a team like the Patriots.

Steelers are a much tougher argument, but I still have a little it of faith due to their play (though against bad teams,) at home. Defense has to improve, but Roethlisberger is a better quarterback than Matt Schaub (though I like Schaub more than most,) and comparable to a Flacco/current Peyton Manning.
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Mark my words, it will be one of these three teams in the end: Patriots, Texans, or Broncos.
Kind of like that time you said that we should mark your words about the Giants not winning a single playoff game last year? And if they did you'd leave forever? Good times.
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The 2011 Patriots and 2008 Cardinals were outliers that didn't even win the game.

And again, the most efficient way to evaluate pass defense is via the ANY/A stat, not total passing yards and not even passing TDs.

If you do it that way, you see that basically only the 2011 Patriots and 2008 Cardinals had below average pass defenses (ANY/A on defense higher than 5.5).

Both 2007 Giants and 2011 Giants teams had their struggles during the regular season, and I would chalk them off as outliers as well, but I think this has more to do with really bad stretches of games during the regular season for both teams, and probably due in no small part to injury.
We aren't talking about winning the Super Bowl. The title of this thread clearly states "ADVANCE TO THE SUPER BOWL FROM AFC." Nothing about actuall winning it.

Anyways, you talk a bit about point differential. The Ravens are +43. The Broncos are +32. Another important stat I like to look at is turnover differential. The Ravens are +7. The Broncos are -3. So why exactly would you include The Broncos and not the Ravens.
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The answer to your original question is an obvious YES. Especially with Big Ben, Peyton, and of course Mark Sanchez in the conference.

And I'd be shocked if Schaub, who has never won a big game in his career, is able to string together 2 or 3 playoff wins against elite competition, especially given that his defense can be had - just not by the cupcakes they see 90% of the time on their schedule.

But I'm more intrigued with the stuff below. If you did this for all Super Bowl participants and not just winners I think it would make it even more interesting.

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Actually you can, and as early as the first four weeks of the season:

2011: Giants 3-1 to start season, great defense, great offense outside of one game against Redskins

2010: Packers 3-1 to start season, blowing out teams, but lost close game to Bears in which they outplayed the Bears but got penalized a 1000 times

2009: Saints 4-0, blowing everyone out, clearly the best team that year after first few weeks

2008: Steelers 3-1, shutting everyone down on defense, but lost close game to Philly due to Philly's defense annihilating Roethlisberger

2007: Giants 2-2; up and down to start the season, I'll give you this one. You would be hard-pressed to see the '07 Giants as a Super Bowl team early on, althought they did have that awesome 600-sack game against the Eagles in week 4 that would hint at future greatness on the defensive line

2006: Colts 4-0; scoring points like crazy with an average defense, typical Peyton Manning team that was in the running every year

2005: Steelers 3-1; held two opponents to only 7 points, looked great on defense.

2004: Patriots 4-0; crushing everyone early in the season

2003: Patriots 2-2; inexplicable early terrible loss to the Bills. This one would be harder to predict, as they played much better later in the season

2002: Buccaneeers 3-1; Blanking people on defense, looking absolutely stifling on defense, pretty obviously the best team in the NFC for almost the entire year


So that's just the past ten years of Super Bowl winners and how they started out. You can clearly see trends early in the season that point to the likely Super Bowl teams. Prior to 2002, it was even more pronounced, as you typically knew almost before the season began who would be the Super Bowl team that year - it was always one of the powerhouse teams like the 49ers, Cowboys, Redskins, Giants that almost always started out 4-0 or 3-1 and had better stats than any other team in the league.


After four weeks, and especially later, after six or more weeks, you can begin to separate the "contenders" from the "pretenders". Teams that end up in the Super Bowl almost always start out at the very least, *solid*. So far, only a handful of teams can be described as *solid* in the AFC thus far: Patriots, Texans, Broncos, Ravens, but I'd say that the Ravens will be simply too inept
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We aren't talking about winning the Super Bowl. The title of this thread clearly states "ADVANCE TO THE SUPER BOWL FROM AFC." Nothing about actuall winning it.

Anyways, you talk a bit about point differential. The Ravens are +43. The Broncos are +32. Another important stat I like to look at is turnover differential. The Ravens are +7. The Broncos are -3. So why exactly would you include The Broncos and not the Ravens.
Not including the Ravens is more a prediction about future performance, really. That defense just lost its BEST cover cornerback, is kind of uncertain about its best defensive line man, has already lots its best pass rusher before the season and is uncertain how well he'll play if and when he returns, and has just lost its middle linebacker.

That just screams "bottom 10 defense in the last 10 games of the season" to me.
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The Texans are still heads and shoulders better than the rest.

The Patriots can't win games, right now. I don't like to be too pessimistic until week 13 or so, but this team isn't able to move the ball in the 4th when they have a lead. They've blown leads they should have been able to hold onto.
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These days turn over ratio is paramount I'd be willing to bet that it is one of the biggest stats for super bowl winners.
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The Texans are still heads and shoulders better than the rest.

The Patriots can't win games, right now. I don't like to be too pessimistic until week 13 or so, but this team isn't able to move the ball in the 4th when they have a lead. They've blown leads they should have been able to hold onto.
I trust the Pats way more than the Texans. Come on.
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It still really damn early to say that both the Ravens and Steelers are dead already.

It hurts real bad to lose Webb and Ray, but the optimist in me feels better knowing that we have some good depth at CB. Jimmy Smith and Dannell Ellerbe will need to step into starter roles. Ngata's injury isn't good but the guy will play this week and then he will get a bye to help heal up. Maybe another week of with the Browns game, but Its not like his season is over too. Suggs won't be at the DMVP level like last year but anything he can bring will be a big upgrade in the pass rush.

Ravens still have defensive talent. You talk all about numbers and then say that you 'feel' like the Ravens and Steelers have bottom defenses by the end of the year. Both teams could easily turn it around and have some real good defenses by the end of the year.

Ravens show up pretty damn well in big/playoff games and Big Ben is a top QB who is a big time winner. Neither team are to be dismissed in the playoffs, even if certain numbers are against them.

We have 10 games left. Manning could break down, Schaub could fall apart. Nothing is set in stone in week 6.
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I trust the Pats way more than the Texans. Come on.
The only things that could derail the Texans are overconfidence or Schaub getting hurt.

The Patriots have struggled to take the next step from mediocre this season. They've been in every game, but how they are losing them is what is so frustrating.

The Ravens are decimated by injuries. Their offense disappears too often.

The Steelers are battling serious injuries and look like a bottom 1/3 team.

Manning could fall apart (literally) at the end of the season.

If you could see into the future and told me the Texans did not either win the AFC #1 seed or represent the AFC in the Super Bowl, I could honestly see half just about anyone winning it (outside of Cleveland, Jacksonville, Kansas City, and Oakland, obviously).
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this is the worst thread ever. you have to be a complete and total loser to create this stupid thread and then talk about stats and records through 4 weeks as varification of something significant. go **** yourself.
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That's a little pedantic as Big Ben may not be a top 5 QB, but he is a top 6 QB, and he's been doing great things with those weapons for a few years now.
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The only things that could derail the Texans are overconfidence or Schaub getting hurt.

The Patriots have struggled to take the next step from mediocre this season. They've been in every game, but how they are losing them is what is so frustrating.

The Ravens are decimated by injuries. Their offense disappears too often.

The Steelers are battling serious injuries and look like a bottom 1/3 team.

Manning could fall apart (literally) at the end of the season.

If you could see into the future and told me the Texans did not either win the AFC #1 seed or represent the AFC in the Super Bowl, I could honestly see half just about anyone winning it (outside of Cleveland, Jacksonville, Kansas City, and Oakland, obviously).
Schaub has never won a big game in his career! You think him getting hurt is the ONLY thing that can derail them?

They've got to prove it in a big spot for me to be a believer. Until then I'd side with Brady, Flacco, Peyton, or Ben over him. And the sad truth is he's probably going to have to beat at least two of them to get to the Super Bowl.
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The only things that could derail the Texans are overconfidence or Schaub getting hurt.

The Patriots have struggled to take the next step from mediocre this season. They've been in every game, but how they are losing them is what is so frustrating.

The Ravens are decimated by injuries. Their offense disappears too often.

The Steelers are battling serious injuries and look like a bottom 1/3 team.

Manning could fall apart (literally) at the end of the season.

If you could see into the future and told me the Texans did not either win the AFC #1 seed or represent the AFC in the Super Bowl, I could honestly see half just about anyone winning it (outside of Cleveland, Jacksonville, Kansas City, and Oakland, obviously).
Texans just got exposed by the Packers. I would'nt be so confident about an inexperienced Houston team to just run off with anything. AFC is definitely up for grabs and same could be said about the NFC. Thats why they say "Any given Sunday". And maybe we look like a bottom team because we're battling injuries. Ever think of that? Still 2/3 of the season left to play. Let's see if your posts look the same then.
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