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Old 10-22-2012, 11:56 AM    (permalink
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If Rutgers goes undefeated, they definitely deserve to go to a BSC Bowl, even without the Big East's automatic bid. But the Championship Game? I don't think so. Even if they are the only undefeated team left, I doubt they are ranked in the top two.
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If Clemson wins out (and FSU doesn't trip up vs. VT), the ACC could very easily have 2 BCS bids again. No way the Fiesta Bowl would choose Rutgers over Boise State either, looking at travel and attendance that would be as good of a decision as the ACC adding Pitt and Syracuse.
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If Rutgers goes undefeated, they definitely deserve to go to a BSC Bowl, even without the Big East's automatic bid. But the Championship Game? I don't think so. Even if they are the only undefeated team left, I doubt they are ranked in the top two.
Yup, I don't see a scenario with Rutgers in the Title Game. Maybe if everyone else has 2 losses?
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Yup, I don't see a scenario with Rutgers in the Title Game. Maybe if everyone else has 2 losses?
They are pretty much 2007 Kansas, even if they are undefeated they have zero chance of getting in over a 1 loss team from any other conference.

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I don't think Scotty or I are thinking we're getting into the NC game. Like Shane just said everyone would need 2 losses. I'm fine with that I just want to get to the BCS and show everyone on the national stage we are for real. Perception always kills even when it's not true.

Rutgers int any BCS game would travel well. In 2006 we sent 35,000 people to the Texas Bowl. If we go BCS I would see something similar but probably 40K.
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Going into Arkansas and playing that team is still a good W. The Big East is better than the ACC and you don't hear the same knocks on them. It's funny how Forenci has to knock Rutgers at every turn now.
Not really. Arkansas is a horrible team.
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Not really. Arkansas is a horrible team.
Not with Wilson. His injury skewed things a bit. We'll see how they finish the year out with him.
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Not with Wilson. His injury skewed things a bit. We'll see how they finish the year out with him.
Even with Wilson. Arkansas may have been great last year, but they are clearly only above the lowest tier in the SEC this year. That is not a resume boosting win in the least.
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Going into Arkansas and playing that team is still a good W. The Big East is better than the ACC and you don't hear the same knocks on them. It's funny how Forenci has to knock Rutgers at every turn now.
ULM went into Arkansas and won as well, so basically you're saying Rutgers is on par with ULM. Arkansas was a preseason Top 10 team, but could possibly be the worst preseason Top 10 team of the past 30 years.
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Because the Big East gets an automatic bid. Even if they didn't, Rutgers would get in if they go undefeated.
Well I know they get the automatic bid, which is silly considering how awful the Big East is. I was just speaking generally, though. West Virginia would steam roll them.

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Yeah Arkansas is pretty bad. I just knock it because most Rutgers fans annoy me. I did the same thing when everyone was freaking out when Schiano was bringing them to life. They had an awfully easy schedule then, just like they do now. I just am annoyed at how good people think Rutgers is when their schedule is a joke.

If Rutgers was in the ACC or didn't play an absurdly easy schedule they wouldn't be close to the discussion of being BCS worthy.

I mean, UConn shouldn't have been in a BCS bowl either. We weren't anywhere near that good. A product of a flawed system.
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ULM went into Arkansas and won as well, so basically you're saying Rutgers is on par with ULM. Arkansas was a preseason Top 10 team, but could possibly be the worst preseason Top 10 team of the past 30 years.
Yup that's what I'm saying. You sure got me.
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Well I know they get the automatic bid, which is silly considering how awful the Big East is. I was just speaking generally, though. West Virginia would steam roll them.



Yeah Arkansas is pretty bad. I just knock it because most Rutgers fans annoy me. I did the same thing when everyone was freaking out when Schiano was bringing them to life. They had an awfully easy schedule then, just like they do now. I just am annoyed at how good people think Rutgers is when their schedule is a joke.

If Rutgers was in the ACC or didn't play an absurdly easy schedule they wouldn't be close to the discussion of being BCS worthy.

I mean, UConn shouldn't have been in a BCS bowl either. We weren't anywhere near that good. A product of a flawed system.
Our team this year and in 2006 was light years ahead of the team you sent to the BCS game 2 years ago. It's not even a comparison. The Big East had a winning record against the ACC this year, at worst the 2 conferences are equal. We schedule a top 10 SEC team on the road and it's our fault they're not living up to the hype? Fine we still went down there into a 70K stadium and won the game. The non bias computers have us higher than the voters. You're not watching the games so you have no idea what you're talking about. The Rutgers defense is for real and would keep in any game sans probably Oregon and a few others.
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ULM went into Arkansas and won as well, so basically you're saying Rutgers is on par with ULM. Arkansas was a preseason Top 10 team, but could possibly be the worst preseason Top 10 team of the past 30 years.
well, we'd beat nc St, so we're better than FSU at least.

And let's cool down the rutgers undefeated talk. Makes me uneasy.

We're not saying RU to the title game but the big east isn't as awful this year in comparison with the big 10 and acc struggling.

And that uconn team that went a few years ago was putrid. We beat them that year and we were awful that season.
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forenci, WVU would steam roll us? You do realize we were in the game with them the entire way last year, held Geno to his lowest throwing totals of the year and were starting a freshman QB, right? The hate blinders need to come off.
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Our team this year and in 2006 was light years ahead of the team you sent to the BCS game 2 years ago. It's not even a comparison. The Big East had a winning record against the ACC this year, at worst the 2 conferences are equal. We schedule a top 10 SEC team on the road and it's our fault they're not living up to the hype? Fine we still went down there into a 70K stadium and won the game. The non bias computers have us higher than the voters. You're not watching the games so you have no idea what you're talking about. The Rutgers defense is for real and would keep in any game sans probably Oregon and a few others.
Haha, I mean, I've seen several games. I'm not sure why you assumed I was comparing you to the UConn team of two years ago. I didn't. Merely stated that they too were unworthy of a BCS game. Clearly this team is much better than the UConn squad, but UConn still had quite a bit of talent on defense. I mean, you yourself said that UConn this year was probably the toughest defense you'll face for the rest of season. How sad is that?

If you seriously think this defense could keep them in any game outside of Oregon your homer shades are worse than I thought. There are any number of teams that would wreck the Rutgers defense.

It's not your fault you schedule one good team and they sucked, but hey, they were overrated and ended up sucking. I can't give you credit for beating a crap team because they weren't supposed to be crap. Maybe try scheduling more than one "tough" OOC game?

And you can use any conference you want. I was just trying to be nice putting you in with the ACC. The SEC would wreck Rutgers. I just didn't want to use that comparison because I don't think it's fair.

Sorry, I just can't take a team seriously that schedules one quality opponent and dominates an sub par conference. I'm not saying they're a bad team by any means but they're certainly far from great.

Aren't guys like 60th in strength of schedule? And that's over teams in even worse conferences who play crappy conference opponents with consistency.
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I said Oregon and a few other teams. I'm not going to list every offense in college that I think can put points up on us. We have multiple NFL players on the D and it's as good an indicator as any that the D is for real. I guess I did overrate the UConn D but whatever not much I can say there. I just want to win the Big East and show everyone on a national stage we're a good team. The SEC would wreck pretty much any team so that's not fair. I don't think we are a contender for the national championship so I don't even know why you think that's what we are saying.
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For the record, I think Florida would destroy Rutgers in that game, so I think there's a decent argument to be made for what he's saying. Rutgers is feasting on a really easy schedule (honestly, Arkansas on the road?)

But you could make the same case for Nebraska, Florida State, and Boise State too, so I'm not sure why you singled them out.
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If Clemson wins out (and FSU doesn't trip up vs. VT), the ACC could very easily have 2 BCS bids again. No way the Fiesta Bowl would choose Rutgers over Boise State either, looking at travel and attendance that would be as good of a decision as the ACC adding Pitt and Syracuse.
There's an obvious cache that comes with being undefeated, especially over an 11-1 Boise State team.

Not buying Clemson. At all. They'll lose again because they always do. Thus is the nature of the ACC.
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hey, it's not our fault Arkansas imploded. Having a home and home with a top 10 team from the SEC when scheduled is pretty good...or was on paper.
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hey, it's not our fault Arkansas imploded. Having a home and home with a top 10 team from the SEC when scheduled is pretty good...or was on paper.
No, it's not your fault, but it doesn't really say anything about Rutgers either.
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I said Oregon and a few other teams. I'm not going to list every offense in college that I think can put points up on us. We have multiple NFL players on the D and it's as good an indicator as any that the D is for real. I guess I did overrate the UConn D but whatever not much I can say there. I just want to win the Big East and show everyone on a national stage we're a good team. The SEC would wreck pretty much any team so that's not fair. I don't think we are a contender for the national championship so I don't even know why you think that's what we are saying.
Haha, that's fine. I think it's more than just a few, but I suppose it depends on what your definition of a few is. I just don't think you guys are that special/great. And that's why I didn't use the SEC as an example. I don't think you guys would do well in the Pac-12, either.

I was arguing against you being in a BCS bowl, not the national championship game. There are other teams (as BF mentioned) who probably shouldn't be in it either due to their competition being inferior.

Clearly the voters agree with you not being worthy or you'd be ranked much higher.

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hey, it's not our fault Arkansas imploded. Having a home and home with a top 10 team from the SEC when scheduled is pretty good...or was on paper.
Like I said, its not, but that doesn't mean Rutgers should be given any more credit for playing a crap team.
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So if we get to a BCS bowl and beat whoever we face then you can give us a little credit. Until that happens there isn't much else to be said. When a defense has about 5 or 6 NFL players on it then I think it's for real.
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So if we get to a BCS bowl and beat whoever we face then you can give us a little credit. Until that happens there isn't much else to be said. When a defense has about 5 or 6 NFL players on it then I think it's for real.
That's fine. And if you guys make it to a BCS game and lose you can eat crow.
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So I think Gators have a chance to beat bama now after showing how good our defense is and we might make it to the title game.
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So I think Gators have a chance to beat bama now after showing how good our defense is and we might make it to the title game.
Driskel will look like a pop warner QB against Bama.
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