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Old 11-05-2012, 01:47 PM    (permalink
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We now have another Senior in Mikel LeShoure, so the Sr on the back of jerseys trend has begun thanks to the Lions (Titus Young Sr started it).
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The entire league can do this = it'll be stopped very soon.
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Conversely, can Seattle find four wins out of this schedule?

New York Jets
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They are clearly the favorites.
Seattle is a very different team at home and on the road. I can see them struggling/losing in all 3 of their road games.

As for home, i see them beating NYJ, ARI, and STL. With 50/50 on beating SF. Which means the SF game could be the difference between 8-8 and 9-7.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...redskins-game/

Mark this day on your calendar because the NFL actually admitted to an officiating error.

That almost never happens. The league always circles the wagons around the officials, no matter how bad the call may be. That official may get berated privately, but never publicly.

So this is a pretty big deal.
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Seattle is a very different team at home and on the road. I can see them struggling/losing in all 3 of their road games.

As for home, i see them beating NYJ, ARI, and STL. With 50/50 on beating SF. Which means the SF game could be the difference between 8-8 and 9-7.
I said before the sesson that we'll split with Seattle and still believe that. They'll play like world beaters at home and I expect a loss there.
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Mark this day on your calendar because the NFL actually admitted to an officiating error.

That almost never happens. The league always circles the wagons around the officials, no matter how bad the call may be. That official may get berated privately, but never publicly.

So this is a pretty big deal.
The last time I recall them admitting an error (in which replacement officials weren't involved) is the offensive PI call in the end zone against Kellen Winslow in the Bucs-Lions game in 2010. That call ended up costing the Bucs the game and the final wild card spot.
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Last public one I can remember is the Troy interception against Indy in the playoffs that was called no int on the field.
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Mark this day on your calendar because the NFL actually admitted to an officiating error.

That almost never happens. The league always circles the wagons around the officials, no matter how bad the call may be. That official may get berated privately, but never publicly.

So this is a pretty big deal.
I wasn't in this thread when it happened, but has anyone explained the Big Ben fumble? That was clearly an incompletion to me.

And Bill Leavy (SB XL lead official) didn't even explain it. He just said ruling on the field stands. After THAT? You need to explain it.

But it is ******* Bill Leavy so I guess it's expected that he misses a ******** of calls.

There was a bad missed call in Seattle also on a delay of game penalty that was missed. It should've made Walsh's 55-yard FG a 60-yard attempt. Didn't matter in the end.

In the PIT-NYG and DAL-ATL games, I sensed a strong homefield advantage from each officiating crew.
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Seattle is a very different team at home and on the road. I can see them struggling/losing in all 3 of their road games.

As for home, i see them beating NYJ, ARI, and STL. With 50/50 on beating SF. Which means the SF game could be the difference between 8-8 and 9-7.
This is NOT the case this year. They're better at home, but they've been absolutely competitive on the road and were within a possession in every single one of their losses.

In Detroit, it was simply who was gonna have the ball last. The Lions won with less than a minute left...

SF was close throughout the game, Arizona came down to 10 yards away in Wilson's FIRST career game.

EDIT: But your point still kinda stands. Seattle could flip-flop one road game with one home game with your prognosis (most likely) and be in that same position. The last two at home against SF/STL will decide their season. They'll either have to go 1-1 in those two or 2-0 to make it. And they COULD do either.

It's going to be a fun stretch run. A loss against a reeling NYJ at home would be CRIPPLING to their season. And I'm worried because the Jets defense should be geared up and ready to go...

And this all goes back to my NFC 6-seed point. The NFC 6-seed might only need 8 wins, which would make the last two weeks of the season an absolute ****-storm with almost any team that we think of dead now given a chance to get to 6 wins by W15 and be absolutely in it for the final two weeks (think NO, PHI, DAL, STL, CAR).

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I wasn't in this thread when it happened, but has anyone explained the Big Ben fumble? That was clearly an incompletion to me.

And Bill Leavy (SB XL lead official) didn't even explain it. He just said ruling on the field stands. After THAT? You need to explain it.

But it is ******* Bill Leavy so I guess it's expected that he misses a ******** of calls.

There was a bad missed call in Seattle also on a delay of game penalty that was missed. It should've made Walsh's 55-yard FG a 60-yard attempt. Didn't matter in the end.

In the PIT-NYG and DAL-ATL games, I sensed a strong homefield advantage from each officiating crew.
Osi knocked the ball out of position in Big Ben's hand, so even though his arm pushed it forward, he wasn't really in control of the ball thus the Fumble call.
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If the Saints win, both of these teams are done for the year.

If the Eagles win, there is still a small glimmer of hope for them, but the Saints should start looking to the draft (and re-signing Payton to an 8+ million a year contract, because he'd be nuts to take less than that right now)
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If the Saints win, both of these teams are done for the year.

If the Eagles win, there is still a small glimmer of hope for them, but the Saints should start looking to the draft (and re-signing Payton to an 8+ million a year contract, because he'd be nuts to take less than that right now)
Nope. 8-8 might get you the 6-seed. Everyone has tough schedules except for Seattle, and they are shaky.
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Anyway, I had a thought about the Saints. Their defensive personnel is bad, but they've had two previously successful DCs running the show. So what gives? Are they just THAT bad? Has the offense carrying the team not allowed them to add enough defensive talent because of where they pick during each draft?

I've developed a working theory that being a dome team negatively impacts your defense massively in today's NFL. It affects the identity of the team, which impacts everything you do, including personnel decisions, draft choices, and play-calling on both sides of the ball.

In short, that's why the Saints D is always SO bad. Think about it. The Colts D, even when it had good players, was never that good. Have the Lions or Vikings had a top defense in the past 10-15 years? I don't know.
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I just can't figure out the Saints.

Their DL on paper is GOOD. They have GOOD players in the secondary. And they added GOOD linebackers.

I can point to a few things in terms of personnel:

1) No pass rusher that can consistently bring heat or command double teams.

2) Weak SLB play

3) Weak pass coverage ability at SS and LB.

After that, it comes down to coaching, and I just don't understand how two guys who have had success in the NFL, could BOTH be this bad.

And the main issue with it all is simply POOR TACKLING. I don't know if you can blame the DC for that or the Saints program in general (Payton and how practices are run) or the players there are simply poor tacklers?

It's just baffling. What was different about the 2009 defense? The only big two personnel differences were Sharper and Charles Grant. I guess they were really THAT important.

The loss of Grant is represented by the no pass rush and the loss of Sharper represented by Jenkins' inconsistency and Harper being asked to cover more.
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The Saints have no standouts on that defense. No dangerous passrushers, no excellent DBs, no one who makes plays.
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Their DL on paper is GOOD. They have GOOD players in the secondary. And they added GOOD linebackers.
Who on that defense is good? Especially in a group? The secondary has good players? Really? Even on paper I don't think any of those groups scare any teams.
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Nope. 8-8 might get you the 6-seed. Everyone has tough schedules except for Seattle, and they are shaky.
Two 3-5 teams aren't going to make the playoffs, not because of their records, but because of their inability to win.

The Saints D is terrible and their QB is human outdoors. The Eagles' QB is terrible and their team isn't living upto expectations.
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Who on that defense is good? Especially in a group? The secondary has good players? Really? Even on paper I don't think any of those groups scare any teams.
Bunkley, Ellis, and Smith are all good football players.

Hawthorne, Vilma, and Lofton are all good.

Greer and Jenkins.

And I'm not saying to SCARE any team. I'm saying to not be EMBARRASSED every single week like they are. They are a laughingstock.

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Two 3-5 teams aren't going to make the playoffs, not because of their records, but because of their inability to win.

The Saints D is terrible and their QB is human outdoors. The Eagles' QB is terrible and their team isn't living upto expectations.
I doubt they BOTH make it. But either EASILY could. Who gets the 6-seed if not one of these teams? You'd have to say Seattle unless you think Detroit can overcome an insane schedule. And Seattle is as shaky as it gets...

I don't buy that Vick all of the sudden is completely done, but that's just me.
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The Saints have no standouts on that defense. No dangerous passrushers, no excellent DBs, no one who makes plays.
This. No legitimate game changer. Even one guy with one game breaking skill(sharper's ability to create turnovers) makes everyone on the D look a ton better.

Greer is excellent in coverage, Curtis Lofton is pretty damn solid, Jenkins shows flashes, but our pass rushing is so bad that it negatively impacts everything.
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Based on this one drive, I have a hard time believing Vick needs to be benched.
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Bad call, Vitt. That was a catch.
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