Is Jarvis Jones a Von Miller Clone???

[FUNBUNCHER]

Aaron Curry really wasn't this great playmaker at WF. He made a lot of tackles but he wasn't a game changer.

I totally agree with JHL6719's assessment of Jarvis Jones; good pass rush however he's arguably the best defensive playmaker in college football. The kid makes plays he shouldn't be able to all over the football field. Rushing the passer is just one aspect of his overall game.

As a pure playmaker/gamechanger, I think Jones is a better prospect than Von Miller. Jones just has better football instincts.
Von Miller may have the more impressive pass rush, but again I don't think it's by much. I think Jones will run a mid- high 4.5/low 4.6 predraft which is more than enough timed speed for a pass rusher. His agility and quickness compensate for whatever he lacks in raw straight line speed.

Definitely the top 43OLB prospect. May be less than ideal size to play OLB in 3-4, but I'll have to wait until the combine to get his actual measurements.

[87Canes]

Jarvis Jones is a bit more versatile than Von. I would definitely say that Miller is the better pass rusher but not by much. Jarvis can do everything at the 3-4 OLB spot while Miller couldn't and still can't really cover.

If they were coming out the same year, Jones would go right before Miller but they are and will be great pros.

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by Caulibflower

Let's just forget the Miller comparisons for a minute, because that seems to be the primary basis for calling him a top-5 pick. Let's forget the Curry comparison, too, because obviously that's me saying I don't think he should be a top-5 pick. Point by point:

Yes, Jarvis is having a super season
Sure, Curry might've been overdrafted due to a weak class,
The hype is basically my concern. EVERYONE knows Jones is putting up the numbers.

Full disclosure - I wasn't a huge Von Miller fan before the draft. I thought the one-trick pony label was deserved, since everyone knew the team which drafted Von at the top of the draft would be drafting him for his pass rush ability. Of course, he destroyed the combine and basically worked out so well that no GM would feel foolish taking him. No guarantee Jones works out that well. The difference between the people applauding the Broncos for taking Von and the Seahawks being booed for taking Bruce Irvin is the differences in their overall game - Miller doesn't have to come off the field, while Irvin mostly rotates in to rush the passer. But both were drafted for the rush ability, and it's their rush ability which has made the impact for their respective teams. Now, Von Miller is surely a superior NFL player to Bruce Irvin, and I just want to get that out of the way because it is far from my point - Clearly, college sack totals do not necessarily carry over to NFL production, so GMs are looking at other traits when they decide who they're going to spend premium picks on. Watching Jones' tape, I don't see the kind of pass-rushing ability of either Miller or Irvin. Jone's is not a pure rusher in that mold, which is a mold NFL GMs will take a chance on - see Irvin.

So you can say Jones is just as good at other aspects of his game as Miller, but that's failing to grasp how valuable Miller's pass rush ability is, and also how rare, and how coveted - Miller was drafted at the top of the draft for his pass rush. I bring up Irvin, who hardly plays the run at all, just to illustrate how little a player's ability to go against the run measures against pass rush ability. Both of these guys were drafted as pass rushers, with Von going higher because he was more versatile. You don't say "Jones is versatile like Von Miller so he should go top-5." Again - Miller's main attribute that scouts paid attention to was his rare pass-rushing ability; that's what boosted his stock. If I'm saying I think Jones gets blocked too easily and a lot of his sacks and TFLs are essentially cleanup plays, and therefore his ability to penetrate into the backfield and disrupt games by himself is not his best trait... we're not talking about him having a top-5 trait. What does he do that puts him at the top of the draft? I could name pages of solid players who've played for a decade, who've been solid starters and maybe even have a great season or two in there which resulted in a Pro Bowl nod, who I absolutely would not have taken with a top-5 pick in retrospect. You wouldn't want to draft Adalius Thomas 5th overall, would you? It's no insult of a comparison, either.

Hey, in the middle of his rookie year, I predicted Miller would be a sure fire HOFer, so clearly I have a very high opinion of him.
Irvin has also turned into a terrific pass rusher but is a lot rawer than Miller, nevertheless, a pretty solid pick with a lot more to learn about a LBer's overall game.
I had reservation about Jones overall game with speed as his main weapon, but he has shown this season that he is a lot more than that, very proficient in pass coverage and very solid against the run. I'll hold off on any HOF prediction but I have no problem predicting him to be a top 5 pick unless his previous injuries knock him down a peg or 2.

[Thefudge]

The thing about Jones that drops him as a prospect in my eyes is his spinal stenosis. I don't really know why it's not being brought up at this point. I think he'll be the Dequan Bowers of this years draft.

Edit: It has been brought up.

[Caulibflower]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

Hey, in the middle of his rookie year, I predicted Miller would be a sure fire HOFer, so clearly I have a very high opinion of him.
Irvin has also turned into a terrific pass rusher but is a lot rawer than Miller, nevertheless, a pretty solid pick with a lot more to learn about a LBer's overall game.
I had reservation about Jones overall game with speed as his main weapon, but he has shown this season that he is a lot more than that, very proficient in pass coverage and very solid against the run. I'll hold off on any HOF prediction but I have no problem predicting him to be a top 5 pick unless his previous injuries knock him down a peg or 2.

If there's two positions in the NFL anymore which are steadily losing value, it's running backs and linebackers who aren't natural pass rushers. And for what it's worth, there's a big difference to me between Jarvis Jones being considered a top-5 player and a top-10 or top-15 player. Those 5 spots should be choosing players who you think will be a starter on any team in the league - you choose a guy with special ability. There's only a couple in each draft. My whole problem with calling Jarvis Jones a "top-5 pick," and I've said this before, is in imagining who I'd be passing over to take him.

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by Caulibflower

If there's two positions in the NFL anymore which are steadily losing value, it's running backs and linebackers who aren't natural pass rushers. And for what it's worth, there's a big difference to me between Jarvis Jones being considered a top-5 player and a top-10 or top-15 player. Those 5 spots should be choosing players who you think will be a starter on any team in the league - you choose a guy with special ability. There's only a couple in each draft. My whole problem with calling Jarvis Jones a "top-5 pick," and I've said this before, is in imagining who I'd be passing over to take him.

You right, RB and LB have lost some of their luster except when a LB can rush the passer. There were question on Jones going into his senior year, injury history and overall toughness. He has answered the toughness questions and with elite speed, he can be a dominate pass rusher at the next level. IMO, he has shown he has top 5 talent, but with an injury history, he may well drop into the top 10, but I cannot see him dropping any lower.

[DraftSwag]

Jarvis Jones Von Miller comparison. What was I thinking back in November? SMDH

[DraftSwag]

True, but I got killed for even mentioning the two's name in the same sentence when I posted this.

[Black Bolt]

Jones is Von Miller light at best. Miller is a completey fluid athlete who is strong, quick, fast and has incredible instincts. He also has thar rare, Derrick Thomas level first step. He has a refined passrush technique and can redirect his momentum on the run and convert speed to power. Jones will find it more difficult to defeat blocks the way he did in college in the NFL. So no, Jones is not Miller.

And here's one other thought to chew on that none one has brought up. Have you notice the glut of defensive talent Jones was able to play with at Georgia? How many combine guy from that defense?

[Iamcanadian]

IMO, Jarvis Jones would normally be the 1st guy drafted this year if it wasn't for his spinal problems and only the doctors can decide now, where he will go in the draft.
Jones is an excellent pass rusher, by far the best in the draft and could dominate at the next level a la Miller but if the doctors give a thumbs down on his spinal condition, he will likely drop to round 2.

[DraftSwag]

I do agree with that statement. Georgia was freakin' loaded last year. They had a whole bunch of dudes. Even though I'm not a huge fan of Ogletree.

[bitonti]

he's not Von Miller who is a legit 4.4 guy and great in coverage. As a player, maybe a lighter Orakpo is a better comparison. But as a historical prospect Terrell Suggs has some similarities. He is the NCAA all time sack leader, if Jarvis had stayed for his senior year, he'd be (projected) to be right in that neighborhood. But as we all know Suggs didn't run well, ran a 4.8, Jones will run faster (but not by much). Jones wont work out amazing but he's got Suggs-like production. I don't see Jones falling out of the top 10.

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by bitonti

he's not Von Miller who is a legit 4.4 guy and great in coverage. As a player, maybe a lighter Orakpo is a better comparison. But as a historical prospect Terrell Suggs has some similarities. He is the NCAA all time sack leader, if Jarvis had stayed for his senior year, he'd be (projected) to be right in that neighborhood. But as we all know Suggs didn't run well, ran a 4.8, Jones will run faster (but not by much). Jones wont work out amazing but he's got Suggs-like production. I don't see Jones falling out of the top 10.

I think Jones will run in the 4.5's but the doctors will have to give a thumbs up for him to go top 10, doctors always have the final say when a prospect has health issues. GM's never override a doctor's report.

[Halsey]

Yeah, UGA was loaded with defensive talent last year, and one player was clearly the best player on that defense: Jarvis Jones

[Black Bolt]

Originally Posted by Halsey

Yeah, UGA was loaded with defensive talent last year, and one player was clearly the best player on that defense: Jarvis Jones

Most productive in terms of sacks. Washington was asked to play a roll, but look at the physica ability he had? I'm suggesting that Jones was freed up to do his thing because they could afford to let him do so with the awesome talent around him. Ogletree and the S's could clean up what he missed.

[b_rent87]

Originally Posted by Thecollegedropout

Miller's the more explosive pass rusher but Jarvis Jones brings more to run stopping and is more of a complete player.

This is an absurd claim. Being both a die hard Broncos and UGA fan, Miller is a far better run stopper. Jarvis gets washed out of plays too easily and plays undisciplined mostly due to scheme, but it is with reckless abandon, and he often takes himself out of running lanes. He won't get away with it at the next level. Jarvis lacks Von's elite first step and elite bend around the corner. Von plays lower to the ground while Jarvis stands upright and tends to hand fight too much rather than getting off blocks. Jarvis is not the same player as Von. Von is a better pass rusher and a more complete player. However Jarvis just makes plays all over and its a knack he has. I like Jarvis a lot and he is a top ten player in this draft, but he is not Von Miller.

[Halsey]

Originally Posted by Black Bolt

Most productive in terms of sacks. Washington was asked to play a roll, but look at the physica ability he had? I'm suggesting that Jones was freed up to do his thing because they could afford to let him do so with the awesome talent around him. Ogletree and the S's could clean up what he missed.

Jarvis Jones was the best player on UGA's defense. I don't care how you word it and spin it. There's a reason he was named DPOTY in a conference loaded with talented defenders.

[Black Bolt]

Originally Posted by Halsey

Jarvis Jones was the best player on UGA's defense. I don't care how you word it and spin it. There's a reason he was named DPOTY in a conference loaded with talented defenders.

Yeah, he was allowed to rush the QB more than anyone else on the team and he did a good job. But the last time I checked, we were discussing his PRO potential.