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Sorry but in a sport thats hard hitting and a lot of impact, the possibility of ties shouldnt exist and need to be eliminated. I would rather lose than tie because at least the game had a winner and a loser. A tie is just a waste of time period. No point in even playing if the game ends in a tie. But hey, thats just me.

As for Kaepernick, the only way he'll get better is with experience and the only way he'll get that is by playing. Not by sitting on the bench or coming in for a play here and there.

SB aspirations? More like SB fantasies. Team isnt good enough to get to the Super Bowl let alone win it. And the defense is nowhere near what it was a year ago. Stats and our 6-2-1 (UGH) record are definitely deceiving. We'll see what happens next Monday night against the Bears.
So you hope Alex is out indefinitely so Kaepernick can come in, struggle, and get killed while our team's season proceeds to go down the drain. Yeah, real smart Dan. Kaepernick isn't going to come in here and pull a Tom Brady. Get real.
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Would like to blame this on the defense, who did play really poorly, and the special teams but the special teams did get us the ball at the 20 and without that I doubt we even force OT. I don't think we learned anything new about Kaepernick. He showed that he has a strong arm and that he can run, which we already knew.

Kaep definitely didn't hesitate to pull the trigger in a few situations that Alex might have but there were also a few more when he held the ball even longer than Alex. Is it possible that are receivers just aren't getting even slightly open that often?
No, its not the WRs. Alex was gashing them before he left the game. I'm confident we win this game if he plays it out. CK doesn't even seem to realize when its a blitz, he has a hot read. Its about anticipating defenses, reading coverage and knowing where to go with the ball. Its the little things that CK hasn't mastered yet. Good-Great QBs tend to play the game more like its chess. CK more often than not plays QB like its checkers....jump around and try to make something happen. It was one time where he killed a play and went to a pass when the defense was CLEARLY on a run blitz to the opposite side. I can almost guarantee Alex just simply audibles for the play to be run in the opposite direction, or audibles to the pass play and goes quickly to a hot read. CK drops back like its a normal four man rush and the blitz is one him and the play goes no where.

You have to crawl before you walk. CK hasn't crawled yet. He can throw hard and he can run....that's all he's shown, your absolutely right. Maybe ppl don't remember a guy named Troy Smith. He was very similar to what CK is now. You have to prove as a QB in the NFL, that you can win with your arm FIRST, not the other way around. And as a QB, the game is mental first, then physical. CK still needs to work on the mental aspects of the position. Right now, he doesn't have a clue what defenses are trying to do to him in certain situations and how to exploit it consistently. And also his accuracy has been crap if it isn't a bullet.

I bash Alex alot but one thing about him, he rarely gets beat mentally on the football field. Its usually him unable to make a play physically, but he understands when and where the ball should go 9/10 times. I just think physically, he sometimes question if he can make the play, which cause him to play it safe, more often than not. CK hasn't learned restraint yet....when not to force it, when not to try and make something happen and just chuck the ball out of bounds. Some ppl may say that's a good thing because he makes something out of nothing. But you look at guys like Romo and Vick, who show little restraint on the field and turn the ball over a ton, and ask yourself do you really want to go through what their fan-bases are going through right now? CK has already fumbled 4 times in his limited reps this year. We lose one of his two fumbles today, game over, Rams win. It's a fine line and a slippery slope. Even finer with a inexperienced QB, still finding his way.

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And my post wasn't to bash CK. Kid showed alot of good in the second half. But he's just not ready at this point. Yes, I know I'm comparing him to a 7 year vet but the question is simple....who gives us the better chance to win? Right now, that is clearly Alex. CK needs another off-season/TC of tutelage. Then maybe we can talk about him starting.
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And reports are saying Alex suffered the concussion on the QB sneak, not the hit by the LB the drive before.
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That would make more sense. I didn't even think he got hit in the head on the big hit in the back
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Gore had x-rays too said he was fine and just sore.
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SAN FRANCISCO -- Knocked out of Sunday's 24-24 tie with a concussion, quarterback Alex Smith's next step will be to meet with an independent neurologist before he can return to action for the 49ers.

League protocol protects Smith from rushing back too fast, and he first will be measured against his baseline testing from the offseason. From there, Smith will proceed to nonfootball activities and noncontact drills before fully practicing.

"He seems all right," Colin Kaepernick, Smith's replacement, said. "Obviously he's a little shaken up, but he seems OK."

League rules prohibit concussed players from addressing the media after games.

Smith last suffered a documented concussion in last season's home opener against the Dallas Cowboys. He played the entire game, and he didn't experience symptoms until afterward.

Smith exited Sunday's game after completing 7 of 8 passes for 72 yards with a touchdown pass to Michael Crabtree and a 143.8 passer rating. His only incompletion came when he overthrew Mario Manningham near the sideline. Smith was coming off an 18-of-19 passing display in a 24-3 win at Arizona on Oct. 29.

Left tackle Joe Staley and reserve offensive lineman Daniel Kilgore are the only other 49ers to leave games this season with concussions, doing so last month and not missing their ensuing game.
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Please be cleared to play Alex. 49ers really need to win this next game. League rules prohibit concussed players from addressing the media after games. And the Seahawks could seriously make a push for the division crown as the season draws to a close. Their remaining opponents aren't that difficult.
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As for Kaepernick, the only way he'll get better is with experience and the only way he'll get that is by playing. Not by sitting on the bench or coming in for a play here and there.
Good thing Favre let Aaron Rodgers play all the time in Green Bay. If not, he never would've gotten the experience to get better.
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Just a very weird game all around, especially offensively. Some defensive thoughts...

After not allowing a 100 yard rusher since 2009, we've now allowed 3 100 yard rushers in our last 4 games.

We suck against quick and shifty slot receivers.

Our defense has had a lot of dominating performances and a lot of average at best performances. Today was below average. 14 points to start the game, a 8 minute drive in the 3rd which gave up 3 points, and a late drive down the field when our D should have been clutch. Not to mention that 80 yarder...

Next game is against Chicago. We have to cut down on the mistakes. We can't let their D and ST's score TD's and we have to protect the football. Jason Campbell is a checkdown machine and i'm not worried about him. Cutler can be hit or miss but has been kind of a non factor this year. I'm more worried about Forte bullying our D tbh.
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Well, we as fans should have known our defense wasn't going to be like last season's ever year. That being said, this is the time where it's up to your offense to actually pick up the slack and start scoring more points.

Oh, and Alex Smith looked like he was already getting abused even before he left. Needlessly. I'm starting to wonder if he'll ever learn to just throw the ball away instead of taking a sack. At this point I don't care if he gets an intentional grounding, at least it would be progress.
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Well, we as fans should have known our defense wasn't going to be like last season's ever year. That being said, this is the time where it's up to your offense to actually pick up the slack and start scoring more points.

Oh, and Alex Smith looked like he was already getting abused even before he left. Needlessly. I'm starting to wonder if he'll ever learn to just throw the ball away instead of taking a sack. At this point I don't care if he gets an intentional grounding, at least it would be progress.
Why should we be expect them to be worst? This is their second year in the scheme and they returned all 11 starters. We have a two All-Pro ILBs, one of the best young pass-rushers in the game, a very good 5-Tech, a All-Word 5-Tech, a Pro Bowl CB, A Pro Bowl FS, and very underrated strong-side OLB, nickelback and SS...they should he dominating offenses like the Rams and the Vikings. This ain't the Giants we talking about here.

Point blank, I think this defense feels like they can just show up and opposing offenses are just going to bow down to them. Last year, before they were hyped up by the media and everyone was singing their praises, this group played with a chip on their shoulder. They played mad, like they had to take their respect from the opponents on the field. Like nobody respected how they played as a unit. That chip is gone. This team just assumes that someone else will make a play instead of going out and playing like "I" need to make a play. There's no excuse for Justin Smith and McDonald to have .5 sacks between the two of them. We gave up 468 yards to a offense who hadn't done jack for 3 straight weeks. Our last game before this one, we let a bum-ass John Skelton throw for nearly 300 yards. This defense is absolutely better than the effort they have given most Sunday's this season. We as fans know it because we witnessed first hand last year, how these guys play when they're dialed-in. I don't think they are, for what ever reason. Maybe they think their **** don't stink? Well it does....has been for awhile now.

Sure some teams may have caught on to some of our tendencies but still fundamentally, we aren't as sharpe as we were last year. Maybe Fangio has to get more creative....IDK, but whatever it is, they need to figure it out quick because this team is built around being physically dominant on both sides of the ball and as of right now, the defensive side isn't getting done.

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Well I just think it seemed like everyone had a career year last season. Maybe some guys don't care that much when teams like the Rams roll into town. Maybe the coaching staff isn't being hard enough. I have no idea. Although I get the feeling in general that the majority of guys in the NFL are just looking out for themselves anyways. It is what it is. At this point I just hope we somehow manage to beat the Bears, because the Saints are next after that.
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I expected the defense to regress a little bit. Rogers and Whitner both had career years last season but both also trailed off in the second half.

The main problem, though, is Justin Smith. He was one of the most dominating defensive linemen ever from 2009-2011 and it was just impossible to keep up that level of play for that long. He is still playing great but he isn't playing at that level. Our defense, especially our front seven, relied on him playing at that level. If he could only be blocked if he was double-teamed, which was the case in recent years, than that meant there were less people to block Sopoaga and McDonald, which in turn meant there were less people to block the linebackers. Everything runs through Smith.
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I expected the defense to regress a little bit. Rogers and Whitner both had career years last season but both also trailed off in the second half.

The main problem, though, is Justin Smith. He was one of the most dominating defensive linemen ever from 2009-2011 and it was just impossible to keep up that level of play for that long. He is still playing great but he isn't playing at that level. Our defense, especially our front seven, relied on him playing at that level. If he could only be blocked if he was double-teamed, which was the case in recent years, than that meant there were less people to block Sopoaga and McDonald, which in turn meant there were less people to block the linebackers. Everything runs through Smith.
True to an extent but its more than just Cowboy losing a step. Sopoaga has been inconsistent. We haven't been as disciplined with gap responsibility. Both Willis and Bowman seem like their not getting off blocks like they did last year. Everyone just looks a step slower and a second late, far too often. The back-end has held up pretty good. Whitner started out slow but has come on as of late. Goldson has balled so hard. Rogers definitely looks like he has lost a step. Not just because Amendola worked him, Amendola is the second best slot WR in the league after Harvin, he just plays on the Rams so nobody shows him any love. Its the fact that he's technique has been sloppy at times. Just doesn't look as sharp as last year. Age will do that to you....which is why I was somewhat hesitant about giving him that contract.

And then sometimes a little success can breed complacency. Sure guys may say the right things, but are they staying late, watching film? Are they taking film home to study, identifying their weakness and where opponents are attacking them? When you get some success in the NFL, you have to work that much harder to sustain it because this league identifies and adapts like none other. If they're working just as hard as they did last year, then they aren't working hard enough.
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We should keep this in mind. Even though it's not a loss, it still counts as a half win and the the NFC division leaders lost except San Francisco. They are currently third in the NFC race and will control their own destiny for the number two seed in their final six weeks of the season if they beat the Bears Monday.
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So you hope Alex is out indefinitely so Kaepernick can come in, struggle, and get killed while our team's season proceeds to go down the drain. Yeah, real smart Dan. Kaepernick isn't going to come in here and pull a Tom Brady. Get real.
Sorry but we're NOT getting to the SB this year let alone winning it. When this team cant even beat the Rams and Danny Amendola kicks the defenses ass, there's problems. Who's to say that Kaepernick cant play good? You dont know unless he plays. Any game we get behind in with Smith, we're not coming back to win so you can forget it. Add in the fact that Harbaugh will never fully take the chains off of Smith and that Kaepernick is HIS guy that he drafted. Now is the time to play Kaepernick. I dont see Smith being cleared for the Bears game and against their defense which is better than ours because they can create turnovers almost at will, Kaepernick is actually a better option because of his scrambling and running ability. Smith will get crushed in the pocket especially coming off a concussion. Kaepernick's size and speed actually make him a better option for us against the Bears.

People can say that the game ended in a tie but to me, its a loss because how the hell does the defense get outplayed, outhustled by three guys - Jackson, Amendola and Bradford. Come on. We should have CRUSHED them. This is where that pansy ass play calling needs to go along with any gimmick crap. This team should be dominating crappy teams like the Rams. Not ending the game in a 24-24 tie after overtime with Harbaugh depending on Akers who sorry, I knew he was missing that kick. You can just feel that a mile away. Instead of being aggressive and trying to score a TD or get closer, Harbaugh basically just played chicken and you're not going to win that way. Mark my words, the 49ers will never get back to a SB let alone win it with the way they're playing. The team is way too laid back and consertative. Considering the talent level of this year, they should be crushing teams like the Rams. Not having a losing battle (or in this case, I tied battle).

You guys can bash me all you want but the reality is that this team isnt as good as you guys think it is. The truly great teams dont lose to crappy ass teams like the Rams. They crush them and blow them out by halftime. All the weapons that this team added and they STILL cant average 30 points a game. I said it all off-season that if we could just get to the 30 point mark, we'll win 90% of the time but this team just doesnt have the offense that it should have and its pathetic. Getting outgained by the Rams offense is sad and pathetic. Everyone here knows but no one has the balls to say it. 49ers are overrated period. They had their chance last year and blew it. Now, no one is being surprised by us and are 100% ready for our boring lame ass running game that when we're winning by 10 or more is great but when you're losing, its time to start airing it up to the receivers because whats the point in signing Moss and Manningham to have next to Crabtree, Davis and Williams if they arent being used properly?

I hope we beat the Bears but if the team plays like we did yesterday, I wouldnt be shocked if we get blown out especially since the Bears defense can cause so many turnovers thats its truly amazing because its on a consistent basis. Our defense has not gotten the turnovers that we were getting last year. Quite simply, everything fell into place last year for us to win the SB. This year, despite the record, not even close. And here's another thing - Rogers sucks. He's too old and too damn slow to keep up with a fast receiver like Amendola, Cruz, etc. Sorry, but im seeing this a mile away yet no one here sees this? Or more importantly, the coaching staff? Rogers gets beat more times than not and I said that he was going to decline and he is. Everyone was happy that the entire defense was brought back except me because I already knew that they were going to be complacent. The defense thinks that they can just show up and they'll win but the Rams showed yesterday thats not going to happen.

Bottom line is that this team needs to start playing with a killer instinct and an aggressive kick your ass style because this pansy ass crap isnt going to win you a damn thing.

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HUGE difference. As much I hate him, Favre was one of the all time great QB's and a Legend in GB. Rogers learned from him and had the same offense since day one. While Kaepernick has the same offense around him since day one, he has no legend ahead of him playing QB. He has an average at best QB period. It's taken me a long time to agree with Ness but in regards to Smith, I agree that he's not winning us a SB period. If the Rams were an elite team and we were down 14-0, we wouldnt even have been able to get to OT. The few games Rodgers played when Favre was injured, he played good. The only thing that truly hurts Kaepernick is the lack off an off-season in 2011 because he's basically, a year behind.

Kaepernick being able to throw the ball down field just to keep the defense honest instead of stacking the box against Gore, etc. is a far better asset than what Smith offers us. Smith is the veteran and makes few mistakes but at the same time, Harbaugh and Roman arent exactly telling him to go out and win us a game. Smith is basically out there to keep the game close, not lose it and give us a chance to win at the end.

Cant speak for anyone else but I think thats a crappy ass way to play. But to each his/her own.
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dan, take a timeout bro, go to your room or something. Gore was dominant WITH Smith at QB. Smith is probably one of the best pre-snap QBS in the league and definitely in the top tier vs the blitz. With Kap they are going to run blitz and stack the box even more.
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dan, take a timeout bro, go to your room or something. Gore was dominant WITH Smith at QB. Smith is probably one of the best pre-snap QBS in the league and definitely in the top tier vs the blitz. With Kap they are going to run blitz and stack the box even more.
Gore can be dominant with Kaepernick too. And when Smith audibles or whatever, he gets sacked half the time. Regardless of whether its Smith or not, I dont see the Bears gameplan changing. They will blitz Kaepernick because of his lack of experience and they will blitz Smith because he's a pocket passer and while he can run here and there, he's nowhere near the mobility of Kaepernick which makes him a sitting duck.

Oh well, another week and we'll find out.
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If Kaepernick is contained in the pocket he has not shown that he can overcome it. Yesterday the plays he made were outside of the pocket with his legs. People talk about the offense being one-dimensional with Smith but it is more one-dimensional with Kaepernick.

Smith may not be the athlete that Kaepernick is but he is definitely not a sitting duck back there. He is definitely on of the more athletic starting QBs in the league.
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If Kaepernick is contained in the pocket he has not shown that he can overcome it. Yesterday the plays he made were outside of the pocket with his legs. People talk about the offense being one-dimensional with Smith but it is more one-dimensional with Kaepernick.

Smith may not be the athlete that Kaepernick is but he is definitely not a sitting duck back there. He is definitely on of the more athletic starting QBs in the league.
I was terrified when Kaepernick decided to attempt a throw. Not saying he's Tim Tebow, but man he was not good. He made Alex Smith look like Warren Moon out there.
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^^^^^ Legatron my ass.
Ummm that's what they called the Rams kicker, not Akers

And FYI Dan, Alex is one on the LEAST blitz QBs in the league. With guys like Moss, MM, and VD, no team is going to continually blitz him because if its one thing Alex has proven is that he can kill teams who blitz him, leaving guys like VD one-on-one. Just ask Gregg Williams.

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iirc, didn't Alex have the best QB rating in the league against the blitz last year?
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I was terrified when Kaepernick decided to attempt a throw. Not saying he's Tim Tebow, but man he was not good. He made Alex Smith look like Warren Moon out there.
It's the accuracy that scares me with him. If you go back to TC, all the beat writers were commenting on how CK's downfield accuracy and touch on throws where he didn't need a ton of velocity, left a lot to be desired. Go back to pre-season. He look very ordinary the first 3 games before looking great in the last one on such throws.

And then there's the fact he holds the ball WAY too long in the pocket a lot of times. I mean he seems to sense pressure ok but there were a lot of near misses of some sack- fumbles with him. And I hate the way he holds the ball away from his body when he starts to scramble. Tuck the ******* ball.
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