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Wootylicous · 11-15-2012, 10:19 PM

Sooooo...**** Gary Bettman, the owners and **** the NHLPA

The Great Jonathan Vilma · 11-15-2012, 10:43 PM

The players need to sign the damn contract. If you can get more elsewhere go there and play. If not, suck it up, take the already solid pay that you make to play a sport that people play for kicks and dream of playing (not to mention the rockstar status and women you get as a result).

I don't fault the owners, i blame the players. Ultimately it is both sides fault, but the players need to take it and make their cash while they can. Iginla will have lost $12M between the last two lockouts if they go. $12M....i'm sure whatever they are pushing for will help make that up.

What a bunch of greedy losers.

yo123 · 11-15-2012, 10:46 PM

It's both sides fault, but the players are the ones who need to cave? That doesn't make sense.

Both sides can kiss my ass. I'm done with hockey.

njx9 · 11-15-2012, 11:03 PM

the players should just go to europe. they won't get paid as much, but at least they'll be playing. i don't understand what cards the owners think they really have here.

themaninblack · 11-15-2012, 11:10 PM

I wish they would just show some more overseas/juniors games on ESPN or anywhere else aside from NHLN because I don't own it. Actually wouldn't want to give them the money now anyway.

SuperMcGee · 11-16-2012, 01:12 PM

At least we have WJC next month.

The Great Jonathan Vilma · 11-16-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMcGee

At least we have WJC next month.

That is one of the plus sides. Some extra talent will be in it since it won't be pulled away to the NHL. Last time we had this we got the greatest team in history. Obviously this year won't be the same, but still adds an element to show all the eligible talent from each country rather than just the 'available' talent.

SuperMcGee · 11-16-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Great Jonathan Vilma

That is one of the plus sides. Some extra talent will be in it since it won't be pulled away to the NHL. Last time we had this we got the greatest team in history. Obviously this year won't be the same, but still adds an element to show all the eligible talent from each country rather than just the 'available' talent.

I think you're a year off on that greatest team.

themaninblack · 11-16-2012, 07:13 PM

Where can ya watch the WJC on tv in the US? Please don't say NHLN.

Verloren · 11-16-2012, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by yo123

It's both sides fault, but the players are the ones who need to cave? That doesn't make sense.

Both sides can kiss my ass. I'm done with hockey.

NHL has put offers on the table, but it feels like Fehr has just been turning his nose up at them and throwing them into the bin.

SuperMcGee · 11-16-2012, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by themaninblack

Where can ya watch the WJC on tv in the US? Please don't say NHLN.

It's always been NHLN, from what I remember. Might get some bigger games on NBCSports, maybe CBC if you get it. Not sure how much of a draw it is outside of Canada, but I love it.

RufusMcDaniel · 11-16-2012, 11:45 PM

TSN has the rights to the WJC, so CBC won't save you.

Wootylicous · 11-19-2012, 08:40 AM

I want hockey back god damnit. I'm forced to watch the KHL ugh.

bearsfan_51 · 11-19-2012, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Verloren

NHL has put offers on the table, but it feels like Fehr has just been turning his nose up at them and throwing them into the bin.

Why is everyone in this country such a corporate *****? Really? The owners were the ones that voided the current deal, so of course the NHLPA isn't going to accept the owners' deals without negotiation. If the owners can tear up current contracts and offer considerable worse ones while saying "take it or leave it", and the fans still side with them? I just don't get the way people think sometimes.

Rosebud · 11-19-2012, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Why is everyone in this country such a corporate *****? Really? The owners were the ones that voided the current deal, so of course the NHLPA isn't going to accept the owners' deals without negotiation. If the owners can tear up current contracts and offer considerable worse ones while saying "take it or leave it", and the fans still side with them? I just don't get the way people think sometimes.

I don't side with anyone in this, but Owners own and run massive organizations, the players play a game that many of us played as children.

bearsfan_51 · 11-19-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rosebud

I don't side with anyone in this, but Owners own and run massive organizations, the players play a game that many of us played as children.

Are you honestly implying that it is harder to own a team than be a professional athlete? Unless you're Jerry Jones, the job of an owner is to attend one meeting a year, play golf all day, and sit in your luxury box.

themaninblack · 11-19-2012, 08:42 PM

I always tend to side with the players in these types of dealings because you're right BF51. The owners will be fine regardless of whether or not there is a season so they can just prolong this thing indefinitely, and Gary Bettman is essentially just their ***** when it comes to negotiations. It's not like the players are making exorbitant amounts of money in comparison to other sports either.

Verloren · 11-20-2012, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Why is everyone in this country such a corporate *****? Really? The owners were the ones that voided the current deal, so of course the NHLPA isn't going to accept the owners' deals without negotiation. If the owners can tear up current contracts and offer considerable worse ones while saying "take it or leave it", and the fans still side with them? I just don't get the way people think sometimes.

I'm Canadian. :/

I don't like the NHL owners for not extending the CBA/starting talks before the deal ended AND imposing the lockout.

The problem for me is that the NHLPA is lowering itself to the same level by playing hardball with the offers put on the table by the league and have made no attempts to reach a compromise.

njx9 · 11-20-2012, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Verloren

I'm Canadian. :/

I don't like the NHL owners for not extending the CBA/starting talks before the deal ended AND imposing the lockout.

The problem for me is that the NHLPA is lowering itself to the same level by playing hardball with the offers put on the table by the league and have made no attempts to reach a compromise.

if the players are getting a **** deal, what incentive do they have to care? they can play elsewhere for as long as necessary. the owners can't do much of anything besides pay rent on the stadium. it was an idiotic move the minute the owners let it get this far. but at least those franchises will have a lot of value when none of their fans return. good investment protection by the owners.

Wootylicous · 11-25-2012, 07:24 AM

Tim Bozon in the 3rd round was a goddamn steal.

Galchenyuk <3

TimD · 11-25-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

if the players are getting a **** deal, what incentive do they have to care? they can play elsewhere for as long as necessary. the owners can't do much of anything besides pay rent on the stadium. it was an idiotic move the minute the owners let it get this far. but at least those franchises will have a lot of value when none of their fans return. good investment protection by the owners.

Yeah, teams like the Devils, Coyotes, Panthers, etc. are in trouble. A lot of my friends were starting to get really into hockey again, and the NHL/NHLPA pushed them away. Again.

Hines · 11-26-2012, 01:07 PM

Since there is no hockey to talk about, how about this question: Seth Jones or Nathan Mackinnon?

I'd probably have to go with Mackinnon. I believe Jones will be a very, very good shut down dman, but Mackinnon will be a superstar.

Todd Bertuzzi · 11-26-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

the players should just go to europe. they won't get paid as much, but at least they'll be playing. i don't understand what cards the owners think they really have here.

The owners hold all the cards in this scenario. The players are losing out on millions(they are getting paid peanuts to play in Europe) and their main stream of income. Not to mention the risks they are taking if they happen to get injured over in Europe. Some have taken out insurance policies but that only ends up costing them more over the course of this whole ordeal. The owner's all have other streams of revenue that turn a significantly higher profit than whatever they make on the NHL teams(if indeed they make anything at all in some cases) and they can easily afford to outlast the players in a financial sense. The question for them is how long does this go before they see irreparable harm done to their brand and they lose the growth they've gained coming off of the last lockout?

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Are you honestly implying that it is harder to own a team than be a professional athlete? Unless you're Jerry Jones, the job of an owner is to attend one meeting a year, play golf all day, and sit in your luxury box.

The owners take on all of the financial risk in these cases and they should be compensated adequately for that fact. Every other sport shares a 50-50 split give or take so what should make the NHL so special especially when you consider the NHL is probably the least profitable pro sports league on average.

Without getting too far into things I'll just say both sides are equally to blame for this.

bearsfan_51 · 11-26-2012, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Bertuzzi

The owners take on all of the financial risk in these cases and they should be compensated adequately for that fact.

But what constitutes "adequately" is what is up for debate. Very few owners come out on the poor end of owning a franchise, any franchise, no matter how insanely incompetent they are. It's a prospect that literally has no "risk" at all.

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Every other sport shares a 50-50 split give or take so what should make the NHL so special especially when you consider the NHL is probably the least profitable pro sports league on average.

Firstly, the profitability of the league is irrelevant when considering the % split.

Secondly, what other leagues do is irrelevant in this negotiation. The NHL owners aren't bidding against the NFL; they are bidding against the potential earning ability of those NHL players outside of the NHL. You may be correct that the owners hold the cards in this scenario, but they are also losing money every day this lockout continues as well. In any event, I would never be so foolish as to support ownership over labor in any dispute, and it baffles me why anyone would do otherwise (unless they are also insanely wealthy capitalists).

njx9 · 11-26-2012, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Bertuzzi

The owners hold all the cards in this scenario. The players are losing out on millions(they are getting paid peanuts to play in Europe) and their main stream of income. Not to mention the risks they are taking if they happen to get injured over in Europe. Some have taken out insurance policies but that only ends up costing them more over the course of this whole ordeal. The owner's all have other streams of revenue that turn a significantly higher profit than whatever they make on the NHL teams(if indeed they make anything at all in some cases) and they can easily afford to outlast the players in a financial sense. The question for them is how long does this go before they see irreparable harm done to their brand and they lose the growth they've gained coming off of the last lockout?

so the owners, in your scenario, are not losing anything by completely devaluing (to the point of worthlessness, in some cases) their nhl franchises because they may or may not have other options? meanwhile, the players could go to the KHL (a $36.5 million salary cap is hardly peanuts), elitserien, and a hundred other euro leagues. given a large talent infusion, and higher viewership, the idea of playing for peanuts is an absolute fiction.

were i a top tier player, i'd take whatever contract i was offered overseas and forget the nhl entirely. let the owners continue to try to negotiate while holding a worthless product that a bare minority of north american viewers even care about anymore.