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Old 11-20-2012, 08:46 PM    (permalink
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Called in for 95.7 The Game LOL. Weird ending.
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??? Who did? Harbaugh? What was said?
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??? Who did? Harbaugh? What was said?
I did. Shared my opinion. Was cut off after my time was up. Don't think I'm doing that again.
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If Alex Smith had done what Kaepernick did against the Bears, all his fans would be kissing his ass non-stop.

Now I get to read the hilarious excuses for Kaepernick's success:

"Duhhhh, the Bears had a terrible defensive game plan."

"Duhhhh, the receivers were WIIIiiide open."

Yeah, because the ******* Buffalo Bills were just so great on defense in the game that is inflating Alex's numbers beyond belief this year. Because those dumpoff passes Alex threw where receivers made big plays after the catch were just so incredible against the Cardinals.

Alex neeeeeverrrrrr completes balls to wiiiide open receivers. Oh, no, never.

Hey, whaddaya know, Crabtree can kill teams after the catch on easy completions with Kaepernick, too. It wasn't Alex Smith's greatness after all.

Hey, whaddaya know, Delanie Walker dropped a pass down the field and nobody mentioned it this time and tried to add it into his stats. Because it's not Alex Smith who threw it.

Hey, whaddaya know, the running game gashed the Bears like they do everyone else with Kaepernick under center. Kaepernick audibled at the line and "kill kill kill"ed out the wazzu to just as great an effect as the supposedly brilliant audibilizing Alex did.

You want a small sample size...Alex Smith's "successful" 2012 is based on a 2 game sample.
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If Alex Smith had done what Kaepernick did against the Bears, all his fans would be kissing his ass non-stop.

Now I get to read the hilarious excuses for Kaepernick's success:

"Duhhhh, the Bears had a terrible defensive game plan."

"Duhhhh, the receivers were WIIIiiide open."

Yeah, because the ******* Buffalo Bills were just so great on defense in the game that is inflating Alex's numbers beyond belief this year. Because those dumpoff passes Alex threw where receivers made big plays after the catch were just so incredible against the Cardinals.

Alex neeeeeverrrrrr completes balls to wiiiide open receivers. Oh, no, never.

Hey, whaddaya know, Crabtree can kill teams after the catch on easy completions with Kaepernick, too. It wasn't Alex Smith's greatness after all.

Hey, whaddaya know, Delanie Walker dropped a pass down the field and nobody mentioned it this time and tried to add it into his stats. Because it's not Alex Smith who threw it.

Hey, whaddaya know, the running game gashed the Bears like they do everyone else with Kaepernick under center. Kaepernick audibled at the line and "kill kill kill"ed out the wazzu to just as great an effect as the supposedly brilliant audibilizing Alex did.

You want a small sample size...Alex Smith's "successful" 2012 is based on a 2 game sample.
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1st. It is great to see Kaep development. Preseason 2011 it was the project qb you saw. Very uncertain. Late and bad throws. Almost no touch.

2012 preseason had the highlight run but the passing was a big step up. Passes more on time and accurate. His swing and touch passes still hit and miss.

This game was nice to confirm the development.

Alex Smith did throw 45% of his TDs in 2 games.
Also 60% of his INTs came in 1 game.

The real issue always latched onto by the extreme Smith doubters is playoffs.
They just know he can't be a winning QB. Never mind in 2 games he had 5 TD passes. Yes, I wish that 1 more pass was made somewhere to win that 2nd game but didn't happen. The defense also didn't make that extra play. Or the special teams. You also need some luck to make it to the finish line in the NFL.

Tom Brady's Patriots got to a 2nd Super Bowl. With him throwing 3 TDs 2 INTs and pitiful yards in 5 games.

He couldn't even reach 2011 Alex 'game manager' Smith level of play.

Look at the scoring summaries.

Adam Vinatieri
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Troy Brown *punt return
Drew Bledsoe
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3 Def/ST/Backup QB scores same as 3 TD passes.

He did have a good game in the next one vs. Carolina. One of the worst Super Bowl teams ever.

OMG. Looking at it now is amazing. Regular Season point diff was +21 points, total.
The Playoffs...
Quincy Carter.
Marc Bulger 3 INTs.
McNabb 3 INTs + Koy Detmer 1 INT.

Back to Smith.

If he doesn't play good enough to help us win in the playoffs it sucks but that happens most of the time even with the bests.

I can watch every game Andrew Luck plays as a young QB with no NFL experience and it is up and down. You don't put in the backup when you currently have the #2 seed unless you have to.
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Quincy Carter's name has been dropped. Goodnight everyone.
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1st. It is great to see Kaep development. Preseason 2011 it was the project qb you saw. Very uncertain. Late and bad throws. Almost no touch.

2012 preseason had the highlight run but the passing was a big step up. Passes more on time and accurate. His swing and touch passes still hit and miss.

This game was nice to confirm the development.

Alex Smith did throw 45% of his TDs in 2 games.
Also 60% of his INTs came in 1 game.

The real issue always latched onto by the extreme Smith doubters is playoffs.
They just know he can't be a winning QB. Never mind in 2 games he had 5 TD passes. Yes, I wish that 1 more pass was made somewhere to win that 2nd game but didn't happen. The defense also didn't make that extra play. Or the special teams. You also need some luck to make it to the finish line in the NFL.

Tom Brady's Patriots got to a 2nd Super Bowl. With him throwing 3 TDs 2 INTs and pitiful yards in 5 games.

He couldn't even reach 2011 Alex 'game manager' Smith level of play.

Look at the scoring summaries.

Adam Vinatieri
Tom Brady *rush
Adam Vinatieri
Adam Vinatieri

Troy Brown *punt return
Drew Bledsoe
Antwan Harris *blocked field goal return
Adam Vinatieri

Ty Law *interception return
Tom Brady
Adam Vinatieri
Adam Vinatieri

Tom Brady
Antowain Smith
Adam Vinatieri

Tom Brady
Adam Vinatieri
Adam Vinatieri
Safety
Adam Vinatieri
Adam Vinatieri
Adam Vinatieri

3 Def/ST/Backup QB scores same as 3 TD passes.

He did have a good game in the next one vs. Carolina. One of the worst Super Bowl teams ever.

OMG. Looking at it now is amazing. Regular Season point diff was +21 points, total.
The Playoffs...
Quincy Carter.
Marc Bulger 3 INTs.
McNabb 3 INTs + Koy Detmer 1 INT.

Back to Smith.

If he doesn't play good enough to help us win in the playoffs it sucks but that happens most of the time even with the bests.

I can watch every game Andrew Luck plays as a young QB with no NFL experience and it is up and down. You don't put in the backup when you currently have the #2 seed unless you have to.
Irrelevant, incongruent stats...and more irrelevant, incongruent stats.

All of that is meaningless. Alex Smith has had 8 years and he hasn't gotten any better since his second year in the league. Two games (where he didn't do anything special to attain the numbers) are what separate Alex Smith's 2012 from his fans polishing his reproductive organs and him having an abysmal year. It's time to move on.
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Irrelevant, incongruent stats...and more irrelevant, incongruent stats.

All of that is meaningless. Alex Smith has had 8 years and he hasn't gotten any better since his second year in the league. Two games (where he didn't do anything special to attain the numbers) are what separate Alex Smith's 2012 from his fans polishing his reproductive organs and him having an abysmal year. It's time to move on.
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The level of ignorance in our fanbase is staggering at times. One great game from a Niner QB not named Alex Smith and the drones are out in full force when they've been oh so quiet for nearly a year and a half. I'd hate to see the .com boards right about now...one big orgy of irrational, venom-laced, biased, short-sighted rhetoric, I'm sure.
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The level of ignorance in our fanbase is staggering at times. One great game from a Niner QB not named Alex Smith and the drones are out in full force when they've been oh so quiet for nearly a year and a half. I'd hate to see the .com boards right about now...one big orgy of irrational, venom-laced, biased, short-sighted rhetoric, I'm sure.
It's fans in general. It doesn't help with what they see and hear though, as there are suggestions and manipulation to breed that ignorance everywhere.

Does anyone else think that this QB 'hot hand' thing Harbaugh is doing is pretty much the status quo of what we should expect for the 'ol HC? He's backing a QB/player on his team with praise/optimism. He's not giving any more than necessary information in a possibly fluid situation. He's showing a little gamesmanship against the Saints, a team on the rise who represents a challenge to his team.

Sounds like Harbaugh to me. I don't think he'll go with Kap (yet) if Alex is cleared, but if he chooses to, I believe in Harbaugh and his choices. Kap is HIS guy that he picked to Draft and develop but in a lot of ways, Alex is HIS guy too, as Alex was a FA and all but gone from being in a Niner uni.
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At the gym this morning, in the hour I was on the bike, I saw something about Kaepernick (didn't have audio) at least three times during that 60 minute span. ******* ESPN just loooooooves QB controversy.
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Sadly, people would rather be proven "right" about their dislike for a player than have their favorite team win. I have seen people more happy that Smith has played poorly in a loss than him play well in a win. Rather be "right" than win.
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Yes, the phrase "out-Tebowed Tebow" was flung around quite disgustingly recently. I've stopped watching a lot of the ESPN shows I used to because it's all about drama now, and not sports/quality reporting. It's kind of like when MTV many years ago thought it would be cool to stop playing music videos, yet still referred to themselves as 'music television.' Bleh.
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First off, I'm glad no one seems to give a crap about what Jordan has to say, kudos. No need for childish, rude, aggressive discussion here.

Secondly, the niner fanbase is absolutely insane....me included, I really want to see Kap play just one more game. I love that I've been proven right about Alex, and there is definitely an emotional attachment there - I mean it's been a long 8 years, I used to despise the guy - but the curiousity about Kap needs to be satisfied....the guycould be a human video game...a hard-working, accurate Randall Cunningham would be incredible.
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It's fans in general. It doesn't help with what they see and hear though, as there are suggestions and manipulation to breed that ignorance everywhere.

Does anyone else think that this QB 'hot hand' thing Harbaugh is doing is pretty much the status quo of what we should expect for the 'ol HC? He's backing a QB/player on his team with praise/optimism. He's not giving any more than necessary information in a possibly fluid situation. He's showing a little gamesmanship against the Saints, a team on the rise who represents a challenge to his team.

Sounds like Harbaugh to me. I don't think he'll go with Kap (yet) if Alex is cleared, but if he chooses to, I believe in Harbaugh and his choices. Kap is HIS guy that he picked to Draft and develop but in a lot of ways, Alex is HIS guy too, as Alex was a FA and all but gone from being in a Niner uni.
I'm not buying it. As a former QB in this league, he knew exactly what his words would create....controversy. He is absolutely considering sticking with CK for the rest of the way and I'm scared to death he will do it if CK plays even decent against the Saints.
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First off, I'm glad no one seems to give a crap about what Jordan has to say, kudos. No need for childish, rude, aggressive discussion here.

Secondly, the niner fanbase is absolutely insane....me included, I really want to see Kap play just one more game. I love that I've been proven right about Alex, and there is definitely an emotional attachment there - I mean it's been a long 8 years, I used to despise the guy - but the curiousity about Kap needs to be satisfied....the guycould be a human video game...a hard-working, accurate Randall Cunningham would be incredible.
I'm totally right there with you. But why now? Why does a team in the drivers seat for a #2, possibly a #1 seed in the playoffs need a QB change? I just don't like the timing off it. As one of Alex's biggest critics of his play early this season, he seemed to come out of that two game funk and was playing solid ball. Why isnt it enough to know that his work with CK is paying off and next year.....when you get to see young weapons like LMJ and Jenkins on the field with him, you know that the offense will be in good hands? What's the rush? I could understand if we were 6-4 or 5-5 and looking for a spark on that side of the ball to help catapult us to the playoffs. But we're doing just fine.
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I'm totally right there with you. But why now? Why does a team in the drivers seat for a #2, possibly a #1 seed in the playoffs need a QB change? I just don't like the timing off it. As one of Alex's biggest critics of his play early this season, he seemed to come out of that two game funk and was playing solid ball. Why isnt it enough to know that his work with CK is paying off and next year.....when you get to see young weapons like LMJ and Jenkins on the field with him, you know that the offense will be in good hands? What's the rush? I could understand if we were 6-4 or 5-5 and looking for a spark on that side of the ball to help catapult us to the playoffs. But we're doing just fine.
The rush is that the NFL is extreme parity and our division is getting far more competitive..our window is small and some of the D players are getting older (including our anchor, Justin Smith). If CK can take the offense to heights where it can't be limited (Alex IS limited), then it's worth giving him a look. If the guy starts flubbing, you give Alex the keys for the rest of the way. Sure being pulled due to injury should theoretically demoralize Alex, but the guy has an iron will, nothing demoralizes the guy...he's been through it all, he can survive one game vs. the Saints.
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I'm totally right there with you. But why now? Why does a team in the drivers seat for a #2, possibly a #1 seed in the playoffs need a QB change? I just don't like the timing off it. As one of Alex's biggest critics of his play early this season, he seemed to come out of that two game funk and was playing solid ball. Why isnt it enough to know that his work with CK is paying off and next year.....when you get to see young weapons like LMJ and Jenkins on the field with him, you know that the offense will be in good hands? What's the rush? I could understand if we were 6-4 or 5-5 and looking for a spark on that side of the ball to help catapult us to the playoffs. But we're doing just fine.
They don't need a change. Colin Kaepernick said himself that one game dosen't make a "hot hand". The 49ers are in prime position to get at least the #2 seed. No need to change to someone that had one great game when the person who has started the majority of the games has played just fine.
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The rush is that the NFL is extreme parity and our division is getting far more competitive..our window is small and some of the D players are getting older (including our anchor, Justin Smith). If CK can take the offense to heights where it can't be limited (Alex IS limited), then it's worth giving him a look. If the guy starts flubbing, you give Alex the keys for the rest of the way. Sure being pulled due to injury should theoretically demoralize Alex, but the guy has an iron will, nothing demoralizes the guy...he's been through it all, he can survive one game vs. the Saints.
Totally disagree. You go back to CK, there's no going back to Alex. If you make that move, you eat it....that's why its a stupid move. Of course Alex is limited. We can still win with him though(and I mean the SB). The Saints game is different because Alex isn't healthy at this point so its another test run for CK. I'm talking about going with CK for the rest of the season and the playoffs, even if Alex is healthy. I don't see a 2nd year QB, no matter how physically gifted he is, with limited experience and still very raw, leading this team to a SB. I don't see it happening. So that window you were talking about, its the same thing wasting on a player who possibly isn't ready yet. You don't know how CK will respond to certain situations because he hasn't been in too many. The playoffs are a different animal than the regular season.
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