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View Poll Results: Who will be the better the player in your opinion
Von Miller 78 69.64%
Aldon Smith 16 14.29%
Too close for comfort 18 16.07%
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Old 11-21-2012, 07:41 PM    (permalink
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Does 5 sacks against Gabe Carimi to get to the stiff that is Jason Campbell even count as sacks?
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Does 5 sacks against Gabe Carimi to get to the stiff that is Jason Campbell even count as sacks?
Probably not. His 10 other sacks this season shouldn't really count, either.

How many sacks did favored NFL DPOY J.J. Watt get against the same guys, just last week?
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You're a 49ers fan, of course you have the viewpoint Smith is on par with Miller.
Of course. Everyone who watches a player on their team can't be objective at all...right?

You should have seen all of my cheering for the likes of Kentwan Balmer or Kevan Barlow back in the day. I mean they were 49ers too.
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Why's everyone so mad in this thread? Chill.

I came here to throw up a poll that axed:

If we were starting new franchises and you had a chance to start your defense with either of these 5 guys (and had yet to determine what D scheme you'd run, 3-4, 4-3, or who your DC would be), how would your draft board look #1-5 among these guys:
  • Aldon Smith
  • Von Miller
  • Jason Pierre-Paul
  • JJ Watt
  • Ndamukong Suh
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I got it:
  1. Watt
  2. Pierre-Paul
  3. V Miller
  4. Suh
  5. A Smith
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1. JJ Watt
2. Von Miller
3. Aldon Smith
4. Jason Pierre-Paul
5. Ndamakong Suh
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102. von miller
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105. whatever
you forgot Juice Williams. HE'D KNOW WHAT THE QUARTERBACK WOULD BE THINKING. Like a god damn mind reader
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was he ever?
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My choice:

1) Miller
2) Watt
3) JPP
4) Suh
5) Smith

I think Smith is a better player than Suh now, but I still think if you put Suh in a read and react scheme like he played at Nebraska he'd be a beast again.
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Miller
Watt
JPP
Smith


Suh - Cause he's the worst of the group by a large margin.
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lol suh over ngata. silly j-mike.
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I don't get the pleasure of watching either of these two enough, so i'm not going to act like i've seen every game of their seasons, but based on my viewing i would prefer to take Von at this point in time. Don't get me wrong, i'd kill for the Jets to have either player (or a OLB with half their talent), but putting them in a bubble and choosing between the two I have to go with Von. He always seems to grab my attention. Watching the 49ers I find myself noticing Bowman or Justin Smith or X other guys constantly. I can only figure that with all the talent around him that offenses must have a harder time focusing on Smith than they do when playing Von and the Broncos...and he still consistently gets it done.
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i love um both.. **** the poll (waaaait uhhhh)
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I hated the Von Miller pick initially.. boy was I wrong. You can make the argument, that not only is he the most complete linebacker in football. But the best defensive player as well. I have gotten to watch a good amout of both teams and players. Smith appears to me, to be a pure pass rusher. Miller can rush the passer just as well, but is much more dominate in the run game as well.
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I'm not disagreeing that Miller has shown to be more impactful in the run game. My question, since I've only seen 3-ish Broncos games this season, is what makes Miller "dominant" against the run, while Smith is just a "pass rusher."?

Remembering that the "additional talent" argument often used to discredit Smith, can also be theorized to benefit Miller, at times. It's a give-and-take.
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Since Aldon has been given the chance in his extended role this season as a full time starter, he's been pretty good against the run. Teams are necessarily attacking him assuming he's a liability in that department.
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As a Niner fan, gotta go with Von. Aldon benefits so much from having Justin next to him, it's ridiculous.
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And elvis dumervil is just some hack of a player.
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Von gets the edge. It helps that he was much more polished at linebacker coming out of A&M than Aldon was coming out of Missouri

But I think eventually Aldon will surpass him. Aldon still has a lot more untapped potential which is scary.
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I wonder how close Aldon gets to Strahan's sack record. Should be interesting.
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As a Niner fan, gotta go with Von. Aldon benefits so much from having Justin next to him, it's ridiculous.
Perhaps. I'm certain it does "some" of the time. I'm also certain there are times when Aldon would've made a play but Bowman, Willis, Justin, etc made it first. There's good and bad (from an individual's productivity) when surrounded by other talent. Patrick Willis is great example. He is as dominant as ever, but he makes fewer impact plays now that Bowman is beside him. Is it because Willis isn't as good as he was? Of course not.
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Strahan's sack record won't hold up much longer. With the way teams pass nowadays, and seeing several players the past 2 years threaten the record, it's only a matter of time before it gets broken.

Watt could break it this year.
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Reminds me of the MVP debate last season with Rodgers and Brees. Some fans were saying that Rodgers was partly just a part of a unique system once Matt Flynn had his day in the sun against the Lions. Then others were saying Brees benefited from playing in a dome. Too bad they couldn't be co-MVP's like McNair and Manning were in 2003.
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Smith is now a 1/2 a sack away from having the most sacks in the first two seasons.
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