MVP as we head out of November

[nrk]

Originally Posted by descendency

The point is that he's on pace for 1300 yards. People are giving up the runs because if they don't, they know Brady will kill them.

Yeah, but that's not new to Tom or any other great QB.

[Razor]

Originally Posted by nrk

Yeah, but that's not anything new to Tom or any other great QB.

Which explains the prolific rushing attacks of Aaron Rodgers' Packers and Peyton Manning at the Colts. Got it...

[bucfan12]

I think Manning's MVP campain started last year when without him, the colts went 2-14. With him? They were super bowl contenders.

He's come back from a full year off of football and right now, is hitting his stride. I just think it's going to be an easy choice for the writers.

Peyton Manning.

[Jvig43]

Originally Posted by bucfan12

I think Manning's MVP campain started last year when without him, the colts went 2-14. With him? They were super bowl contenders.

He's come back from a full year off of football and right now, is hitting his stride. I just think it's going to be an easy choice for the writers.

Peyton Manning.

Which has exactly what to do with the MVP race this year?

[Mufasa]

Originally Posted by descendency

The point is that he's on pace for 1300 yards. People are giving up the runs because if they don't, they know Brady will kill them.

Originally Posted by Razor

Which explains the prolific rushing attacks of Aaron Rodgers' Packers and Peyton Manning at the Colts. Got it...

Well then why didn't BJGE, Danny Woodhead, Laurance Maroney, or Sammy Morris ever do it? It's not like Brady is playing at a much higher level than ever before.

[CJSchneider]

I didn't vote, but I'm surprised Matty Ice didn't get more votes.

[SickwithIt1010]

Originally Posted by Jvig43

Which has exactly what to do with the MVP race this year?

He said his campaign started last year when everyone joked about him being the MVP without playing a snap. I'm assuming he's joking more than anything, but his play this year makes the people who said that last year look a little bit better. (Unfortunately)

[BigBanger]

I would give it to Rodgers. He's the best player in the NFL with a team that has taken two steps back offensively. That makes him more valueable. BigBen to me is still in the top 3. I know his injury hurts his chances (which were slim to none), but his value to that team is up there with the most elite QBs in the game. Matt Ryan should not be considered. Brady is a close 2nd.

[Jvig43]

Originally Posted by SickwithIt1010

He said his campaign started last year when everyone joked about him being the MVP without playing a snap. I'm assuming he's joking more than anything, but his play this year makes the people who said that last year look a little bit better. (Unfortunately)

Again, having what to do with the MVP race this year? Luck is already getting the Colts into the playoffs by the looks of things as only a rookie, and Manning is now on a team that Tebow led into the divisional round of the playoffs. That argument was always ridiculous imo, the Colts basically packed it in that entire season with a puppet head coach and some of the worst back up QB play I have ever seen. Luck in only his rookie year is taking that team into the playoffs, but we don't hear any talk of him getting the MVP for taking a 2-14 team and turning it into AFC contenders.

With that said Manning should always be in the running for the MVP race but that stupid god damn argument is just so ridiculous. I don't see how Manning playing well for a new team makes the people who said that last year look any better, especially when Luck has turned that team around into contenders in his first nfl season and the team Manning is playing for now has already shown it has talent to compete without him.

[FUNBUNCHER]

The Colts are a threat to make the playoffs with Luck, but I don't think a soul views them as SB contenders.

The Broncos with Tebow weren't SB contenders.
Denver with Manning are one of the odds on favorites to get to the AFCCG and make the SB.

There's a difference.

[Jvig43]

I'm not ready to count out anyone in the AFC, its such a mess that I could realistically see any team in the playoffs making a push. Ravens don't look great and have barely managed to squeak by these past two weeks, Houstons defense has been giving up points, The Pats can't stop anyone on defense and can't move the ball in the 4th quarter, and Denver decides they only like playing football once they are down three scores.

Clearly theres a difference, I never said there wasn't but what does the Colts record last year have to do with Manning getting the MVP on the Broncos this year? I know Bucs may have been joking, but he isn't the only one to use that argument in here.

Hell gncp asked what Mannings reputation had to do with anything, then turned around and said he'll always remember the Colts going 2-14 without him. lol

[cmarq83]

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

The Colts are a threat to make the playoffs with Luck, but I don't think a soul views them as SB contenders.

The Broncos with Tebow weren't SB contenders.
Denver with Manning are one of the odds on favorites to get to the AFCCG and make the SB.

There's a difference.

The Colts weren't going to be a SB contender last year even with Manning though. It was fairly common before news even broke about Manning's injury to see people predicting the Colts to miss the playoffs. That team was deteriorating fast.

[Razor]

Originally Posted by Mufasa

Well then why didn't BJGE, Danny Woodhead, Laurance Maroney, or Sammy Morris ever do it? It's not like Brady is playing at a much higher level than ever before.

You do realize that Ridley is infinitely better than any of those guys, right?

[Vox Populi]

Pretending like last year doesn't count for Manning's MVP considerations is naive. Should it? No. Will the media go ******* crazy over how amazing Manning is and use his absence last year as a reason why? Absolutely. Its similar to the way that everyone expects Tom Brady to play amazing and when he does no one is amazed by it. If Tom Brady didn't routinely have incredible seasons I guarantee that he would have more people calling him a potential MVP than he does right now.

[XxXdragonXxX]

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

The Colts are a threat to make the playoffs with Luck, but I don't think a soul views them as SB contenders.

The Broncos with Tebow weren't SB contenders.
Denver with Manning are one of the odds on favorites to get to the AFCCG and make the SB.

There's a difference.

I would say that the Broncos were much closer to being superbowl contenders last year than the colts were to being playoff contenders.

[Denver Bronco56]

Im sorry, but if you are trying to say the impact felt by Manning's injury last year was not catostrophic and trying to downplay it by the success that Luck is having is naive.


Manning won 150 games total in 13 years including his Rookie season that was a learning experience to say the least with only 3 wins.

He has won 141 regular season wins that comes to be around 11 wins a year, and it wasnt like he was playing mediocre football in those years he accumulated 4 MVPs multiple passing titles and a Super Bowl to go along with most consecutive playoff appearances with 9.

Obviously an injured player will never and should never win the MVP, but the award is to honor the most valuable player..having a team year in and year out pretty much be a lock for the playoffs and a QB that is a MVP candidate almost every year all of a sudden look like one of the worst in recent memory speaks volumes of Manning's value to the colts, and an argument could be made that he was easily the most valuable player to their teams success in the NFL last year.



Is Andrew Luck having a great year? Yes.
Are the Colts a better team overall than they were a year ago? Yes.
Would the Colts have made the playoffs if Peyton never got injured? Who Knows, but it would be hard to convince me that they wouldnt have with the way Manning covers up many offensive flaws by his audibles on the field.



What im trying to say is Manning's presence on the field with the calls and checks and obviously his production is in my mind far more valuable than many people are giving him credit. Are there other prolific QB's? Yes. But do any of them have the responsibilities on field as Manning has shown in terms of checks and audibles and maniupulating the D?

Manning's impact on the Broncos is obviously not seen in terms of say.. taking a 1-15 team to SB contention. As the Broncos were 8-8 but lets not kid our selves, the Broncos and "Tebow Time" were more lucky than talented.

Manning has taken for the most part the exact same Offensive personnel as last year's joke of a squad into a well oiled machine and as the season has been progressing they have gotten stronger (as has Manning's Arm) they are getting on the same page when it comes to checks and reads and learning each other.

I think Manning has a legit shot at brining home a fifth MVP as well as Comeback player of the year, which through my research has only happened once in NFL history.

[cmarq83]

Originally Posted by Denver Bronco27

What im trying to say is Manning's presence on the field with the calls and checks and obviously his production is in my mind far more valuable than many people are giving him credit. Are there other prolific QB's? Yes. But do any of them have the responsibilities on field as Manning has shown in terms of checks and audibles and maniupulating the D?

In what universe is Peyton Manning not getting credit for his audibles at the line? That's been the focus of every game broadcast of his for the past 12 years.

[Denver Bronco56]

I understand that, but people trying to claim he is only getting it on last years injury or previous accomplishments is what im hinting at... the guy does so much for his teams

[Mufasa]

Originally Posted by Razor

You do realize that Ridley is infinitely better than any of those guys, right?

Exactly. He's also infinitely better than James Starks, Alex Green, Joseph Addai, and Donald Brown.

So what's your point again?

[Razor]

Originally Posted by Mufasa

Exactly. He's also infinitely better than James Starks, Alex Green, Joseph Addai, and Donald Brown.

So what's your point again?

My point is that Brady hasn't had a decent RB since 2006. Defenses has been giving up the run for years now, and still Brady has been phenomenal. Having a good RB doesn't detract anything in the MVP race. Or at least, it shouldn't.

[Jvig43]

Originally Posted by Denver Bronco56

I understand that, but people trying to claim he is only getting it on last years injury or previous accomplishments is what im hinting at... the guy does so much for his teams

If youre hinting at me, that is the exact opposite of what I'm saying here btw.

Pretty sure I have been saying the same thing, thats a dumb argument to make. The colts season last year and Mannings performance this year has nothing to do with anything.

[G Mobile]

It probably shouldn't play into it, but the Colts massive sucktitude last year reflects largely positively on Manning and it will carry over into how he is viewed for MVP this year. You can explain more reasons why the Colts were awful last year (coaching, Painter, quitting), but I still believe that Manning gets that team to the playoffs despite the rosters deficiencies. I wouldn't give the MVP to a hurt player, but Manning was practically the only reason the Colts were decent, let alone playoff teams, in those last years. The entirety of the teams success rested on his shoulders; the offense and defense didn't work with out him.

Denver was a playoff team last year, but let's not pretend the were that good. The had multiple 'miracle' wins and scathed by to get into the playoffs where they barely won a beat up Steelers team in OT while in Denver. They have talent but Manning is actually able to utilize it while elevating guys like Stokely & Tamme into productive players. Denver is getting better and better each week. They should be humming by the end of the year with the schedule they have coming up, and if Manning keeps winning then he will be at the very top for MVP.

Last year shouldn't affect the voters this year, but I sincerely doubt that voters will be able to avoid it.

[FUNBUNCHER]

If Brady wasn't so pretty I'd vote for him to be MVP almost every year.

I'm being biased but guys who look like him are usually kinda douchy, although I think Brady is a standup guy and baller who happens to also look like a male model.

Yes, I resent Tom Brady. Too close to perfect.

[J-Mike88]

My revised ballot:

1- Brady
2- Manning
3- Rodgers
4- RG3
5- AllDay

[Bob Sanders Dreadlock]

Andrew Luck..just kidding...but seriously. If he had less interceptions I think he would deserve more serious contention. Completely turned team around, will likely shatter newtons rookie passing yardage record and had many clutch moments.