New York Giants Discussion - Page 308

Wootylicous · 11-28-2012, 09:05 AM

Off topic but I went back and read some 2007 threads and GRF was on point about Eli Manning. It pains me to tell that.

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Originally Posted by GiantRutgersFan

its his name..... what is there to not comment about....

And Eli is a top 10 QB imo. people asked me to post my opinions, so i did so.

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Originally Posted by GiantRutgersFan

I think he is. He's more of a game changer then most of the QB's you guys mentioned. I watch him week in, week out. and I am telling you that theres something about the guy. I see the guy come through and put us in a position to win games a hell of a lot....

Im done with this topic and dont need to be baited into continuing this topic. I said my piece, and thats it. agree/disagree i dont really care.....

Giantsfan1080 · 11-28-2012, 09:09 AM

Well none of us here ever doubted Manning either. We all supported him even when it looked bleak.

Wootylicous · 11-28-2012, 09:11 AM

I know that! but peeps in this thread were saying **** to him for even putting him in the top 10 category saying he was no better than Leftwich and Damon ******* Huard

Forenci · 11-28-2012, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Cutey Wooty

I know that! but peeps in this thread were saying **** to him for even putting him in the top 10 category saying he was no better than Leftwich and Damon ******* Huard

My favorite thread was the one saying Bruce Gradkowski was better than Eli.

Wootylicous · 11-28-2012, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Intangibles are the worst part of Eli's game. He shows no leadership, he has no pocket presence, he's a *****, and he generally locks up in the clutch. His stats actually make him look better than he really is. As for your list.

People definately better:
1)Peyton
2)Brady
3)Palmer
4)Brees
5)Bulger
6)McNabb
7)Big Ben
8)Cutler
9)Hasselbeck
10)Vick
11)Pennington
12)Philip Rivers

People probably better:
13)Tony Romo
14)J.P Losman
15)Vince Young

People at about Eli's level:
16)Damon Huard
17)Steve McNair
18)Brett Favre
19)Rex Grossman
20)Alex Smith
21)Byron Leftwich

Here is BF and his rankings lol

bigbluedefense · 11-28-2012, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Cutey Wooty

I know that! but peeps in this thread were saying **** to him for even putting him in the top 10 category saying he was no better than Leftwich and Damon ******* Huard

I always felt he was a top 10 qb at worst, but I held those opinions to myself on the NFL boards bc of the flame wars that ensued. All of us here felt that way.

bigbluedefense · 11-28-2012, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Cutey Wooty

Here is BF and his rankings lol

BF has a lot of opinions about football that I strongly disagree with. I think my viewpoint on the game and his are almost complete opposites.

He loves Cover 2. What more do you need to know.

Giantsfan1080 · 11-28-2012, 09:34 AM

Show that to BF!!! Shame him to death. The locks up in the cluth part is the worst in that description. The one thing Eli always was that we held onto here was his clutch factor. Even when he struggled mightily he led us back in the 4th numerous times.

bigbluedefense · 11-28-2012, 09:35 AM

He still has terrible qb ratings. Every time he talks about quarterbacks it hurts my eyes.

NY+Giants=NYG · 11-28-2012, 03:58 PM

People like him should be banned and not allowed to watch the sport. What a troll and clueless person when it comes to the game.

Rosebud · 11-28-2012, 06:16 PM

Eli's always been the kinda guy where you either see him lead the team back time after time and understand why he's special, or you just don't. Debating Eli has and will always be pointless.

NY+Giants=NYG · 11-29-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rosebud

Eli's always been the kinda guy where you either see him lead the team back time after time and understand why he's special, or you just don't. Debating Eli has and will always be pointless.

I agree! However, Eli is one the most polarizing people in the nFL. It would seem debates always seem to pop up regarding him. He will always be talked about.

Giantsfan1080 · 12-01-2012, 01:02 PM

Phillips doubtful for this game is not good.

Out
TE Travis Beckum - Knee (DNP)

Doubtful
S Kenny Phillips - Knee (LP)
LB Jaquian Williams Knee (LP)

Questionable
T David Diehl - Shoulder (LP)
WR Domenik Hixon - Ankle (LP)
DE Jason Pierre-Paul - Back (DNP)

Probable
C David Baas - Shoulder (FP)
RB Ahmad Bradshaw - Foot (LP)
CB Jayron Hosley - Shoulder (FP)
S Antrel Rolle - Illness (DNP)
DE Justin Tuck - Foot (DNP)

NY+Giants=NYG · 12-01-2012, 03:41 PM

Beckum hurt again?! How did that happen? He did nothing!! I am really not starting to think we should re-sign KP. I'd rather use Brown or draft a safety at some point. This guy has played what? 5 games out of the 11?

scottyboy · 12-01-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NY+Giants=NYG

Beckum hurt again?! How did that happen? He did nothing!! I am really not starting to think we should re-sign KP. I'd rather use Brown or draft a safety at some point. This guy has played what? 5 games out of the 11?

but the games he's played the difference in our D was night and day. We need to keep him

NY+Giants=NYG · 12-01-2012, 04:58 PM

If he plays and when he does. I am not breaking the bank for a guy whose knee is degenerative and thus he barely plays.

Rosebud · 12-02-2012, 05:16 AM

Who says we're gunna need to break the bank to keep him?

NY+Giants=NYG · 12-02-2012, 11:32 AM

http://m.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/...kAe1 a2mXVhFI

BigBlueNorwegian · 12-03-2012, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by NY+Giants=NYG

http://m.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/...kAe1 a2mXVhFI

And that is the way we want it to be. I want to keep Gilbride here for as long as Eli plays. I mean, he has his flaws as a playcaller as well. But you can't argue the end results. Do I wish we were better in the red-zone? Yes. Do I wish we would call more creative plays from time to time? Yes.

But in the end, a perennially top ten ranked scoring offense, and two Super Bowls makes me think we'd be much better off keeping him for as long as we can. There are a lot of crappy Offensive coordinators out there.

Forenci · 12-03-2012, 04:36 AM

I mean, I could make an argument. He's had an absurd amount of offensive talent in his time here as a coach. He has a potential HOF QB and arguably one of the best and most clutch players at the position of all time (or at least in the top 5 for sure). Arguably, with a better and more simple system we would put up Green Bay type numbers. Not to mention his situational play calling is pretty poor.

Now that said, I understand we're attached to Gilbride at the hip until Coughlin or Eli is gone but I believe our offensive could be truly special in the right hands.

BigBlueNorwegian · 12-03-2012, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Forenci

I mean, I could make an argument. He's had an absurd amount of offensive talent in his time here as a coach. He has a potential HOF QB and arguably one of the best and most clutch players at the position of all time (or at least in the top 5 for sure). Arguably, with a better and more simple system we would put up Green Bay type numbers. Not to mention his situational play calling is pretty poor.

Now that said, I understand we're attached to Gilbride at the hip until Coughlin or Eli is gone but I believe our offensive could be truly special in the right hands.

Yeah, I can also envision our offense being even more potent with an even better playcaller. But who else is out there who is better and available? I feel that if we change OC now, whether it'd be forced upon us or voluntarily, We'd be more likely to downgrade than upgrade our offense.

I guess I just feel that the grass wouldn't necessarily be greener on the other side of the fence.

Rosebud · 12-03-2012, 07:05 AM

I'd rather just let Eli call his own plays the way Big Brother does.

Giantsfan1080 · 12-03-2012, 09:12 AM

Let's lock up this division tonight with a W!!

BigBlueNorwegian · 12-03-2012, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Let's lock up this division tonight with a W!!

Preaching to the choir! But we will probably lose, because Giants, to borrow a Rosebud phrase.

NY+Giants=NYG · 12-03-2012, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Forenci

I mean, I could make an argument. He's had an absurd amount of offensive talent in his time here as a coach. He has a potential HOF QB and arguably one of the best and most clutch players at the position of all time (or at least in the top 5 for sure). Arguably, with a better and more simple system we would put up Green Bay type numbers. Not to mention his situational play calling is pretty poor.

Now that said, I understand we're attached to Gilbride at the hip until Coughlin or Eli is gone but I believe our offensive could be truly special in the right hands.

I do too! I always said in a new system, Eli would put up even bigger numbers! I still do this day will say it. I hope I get to see Eli play in another system before Eli retires.

But also the flip side is this.. Eli didn't become a HOF QB until Gilbride took over. If Huffy still was our OC, I think Eli would be released. I don't think Eli becomes good at all. In fact, he would be a bust who most likely isn't on the team right now. It was Gilbride who saved Eli's career.